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Lunatique member
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:34 am |
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Just watched Zhang Yi-Mo's latest masterpiece, Hero.
The cinematography, the story, the martial arts, the philosophy..etc... Wow.
It made Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon look stupid. That's all I have to say about the film. Zhang Yi-Mo is ten times the director that Ang Lee is. |
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Max member
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:37 am |
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Interesting, better then Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon?
Then I have to see it also! |
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Nimr0d member
Member # Joined: 26 Sep 2002 Posts: 81 Location: Somewhere in Space
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:14 pm |
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I want to see it so bad I can taste it.
If you like VISUAL films, check out Fallen Angels, dir. by Wong Kar-Wai. Just saw it and I was speechless... It's a moving painting. It's so visual it almost subsumes every other aspect of the film, except for the music. Great stuff. _________________ - Rockstar Ninja Artist Extraordinaire |
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gezstar member
Member # Joined: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 224 Location: Kamakura
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:10 pm |
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Yeah, in fact any film of Wong Kar-Wai's is amazing (Zhang Yimou's too). I agree with Lunatique about Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon - it was a good film, but I just felt like everyone who was going on about it like it was the best new thing might not have seen the other really great movies in that genre...
By the way, Beat Takeshi's films are beautiful as well. |
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Lunatique member
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 11:57 pm |
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Ya, and Chinese film critics love to bash Zhang Yi-Moe. It doesn't matter what he does, most of the Chinese film critics will attack him, while western film critics love him and he wins one award after another in the west.
The martial arts in Hero is waaaaay better than CTHD. There are actually real life martial arts legends in Hero--with REAL martial arts that you CANNOT fake with wire-fu or digital effects. The first fight scene will blow your mind. No digital effects or wire-fu can come close to the real skills of two legendary martial artists trading blows with such grace and ferociousness at the same time.
Visually, Hero is just stunning.
Storywise--the only thing I liked about CTHD is the love story in the middle. Without that whole desert scene, CTHD would've been nothing special at all.
With Hero, the story is far more interesting and clever--and much more philosophical and deep. I'm not a fan of having a story being told in segments--unless it's done masterfully like Pulp Fiction. So, this is the one thing I don't like about Hero. Also, the characters over-emote at times for me--a bit melodramatic.
The music bugged me, because the composer basically did the SAME music as he did for CTHD. Lazy fucking bastard.
Oh, and Zhang Ziyi looked waaay more beautiful in Hero than in CTHD. I mean, she looked positively ethereal in Hero.
Anyway, watch it for yourselves and decide if you like it. I predict major awards for this film. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 1:42 am |
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Where can we watch it? Its not playing... according to yahoo. _________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud |
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Matthew member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:59 am |
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Oh Yeah that movie is something I really, really reallly wanna see. I saw some trailer a while ago and it looked awesome.
So the premiere has been in the States?
Edit, Here�s the official site:
http://www.herothemovie.com
Matthew |
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gezstar member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:58 am |
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I predict major awards for this film. |
Yeah Lunatique, so would I, if Miramax hadn't completely screwed up its release date... what happened was they thought City Of God was gonna be the big Oscars contender, so they put all their dollars on it instead of Hero. Resulting in a lousy Best Foreign Film nomination instead of all the major categories it would have been eligible for if they'd held up its release for the next Awards year instead of City Of God. Wankers! |
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Lunatique member
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:06 am |
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I saw City of God and it's not even in the same league as Hero. City of God is like a low budget indy that's quirky and fun, but clumsy and green, while Hero is from an internationally respected and admired director, with a huge budget(for China's standard), and major award winning actors, composer, costume designer..etc. |
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Matthew member
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:41 am |
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I don�t want this to turn into any Flaming but I didn�t like Hero at all, sure there was some really nice scenes in that movie and the filming was great. But...I think Crouching was way better than Hero.
The one thing that disturbed the most was all this thinking from the king and Nameless, they thought of different scenarious and that made the film to distracting from the Main story, at one time they wore blue clothes and in the other they had white and in the other...uhh, somthing else, maan and I thought it was gonna rock ..uhh.
And I didn�t thought I was gonna say this but all the flying was Corny in the end of the film, especially when Nameless flew against the king in some Corny pose. ....uhhh, what was that ....
No disrespect to anyone, this is onnly the view from me regarding how the film was.
Thank you.
Matthew |
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ebrian member
Member # Joined: 16 Jul 2001 Posts: 108 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:50 pm |
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Well, to speak in terms of visual effect, Hero is matchless and unprecedented, especially in China. And that is what forced me to see it.
However, the story disappointed me. Zhang Yimou shot it as a commercial film (that's what he said), but the plot, the story is quite on the contrary. It is not exciting, I can not even see a climax. But a heroic film needs excitement and intriguing plots. We have very good example of Xin Long Men Ke Zhan (The Dragongate Inn), and that is what I consider as classical Chinese heroic film.
Anyway, I like Zhang Yimou's films. I have to admit he is the best director in mainland China. _________________ http://ebrian.epilogue.net |
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silber member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:29 am |
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Lunatique wrote: |
The martial arts in Hero is waaaaay better than CTHD. There are actually real life martial arts legends in Hero--with REAL martial arts that you CANNOT fake with wire-fu or digital effects. The first fight scene will blow your mind. No digital effects or wire-fu can come close to the real skills of two legendary martial artists trading blows with such grace and ferociousness at the same time.
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First of all thank you for posting lunatique, I watched the movie because of your words. I liked this movie and it is indeed beautiful.
Though I wonder why you judging the matrial arts so much better than of CTHD ?
I don't know maybe you are specialist or doing matrial arts on your own, but my impression was that the matrial arts was also pushed up by special effects and "wire-fu" like CTHD (nothing bad in my opinion).
To be honest I liked CTHD better
so maybe you overpaying "Hero" or I don't see something you see.
Either way, thanks for the tip, movies like that are not shown often in germany so one can miss something like that easily. _________________ marek |
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Bare Bonez member
Member # Joined: 06 Jun 2000 Posts: 248 Location: North York
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:06 pm |
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OMG!!!! Jet Li is in this one!!!
Jet Li is so amazing. I saw his earlier works - Once Upon a Time in China - and damn he really rocked back then.. I dunno about his modern movies, but hopefully he'll be back to his old style in Hero.. You are so lucky to see it!
Is it dubbed or in English? _________________ - b�
my webpage is fixed! |
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Lunatique member
Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2001 Posts: 3303 Location: Lincoln, California
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:36 pm |
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silber wrote: |
Lunatique wrote: |
The martial arts in Hero is waaaaay better than CTHD. There are actually real life martial arts legends in Hero--with REAL martial arts that you CANNOT fake with wire-fu or digital effects. The first fight scene will blow your mind. No digital effects or wire-fu can come close to the real skills of two legendary martial artists trading blows with such grace and ferociousness at the same time.
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First of all thank you for posting lunatique, I watched the movie because of your words. I liked this movie and it is indeed beautiful.
Though I wonder why you judging the matrial arts so much better than of CTHD ?
I don't know maybe you are specialist or doing matrial arts on your own, but my impression was that the matrial arts was also pushed up by special effects and "wire-fu" like CTHD (nothing bad in my opinion).
To be honest I liked CTHD better
so maybe you overpaying "Hero" or I don't see something you see.
Either way, thanks for the tip, movies like that are not shown often in germany so one can miss something like that easily. |
Well, Jet Li and Donnie Yen are acknowledged Martial Arts legends. When two legends trade blows, it's the real deal. Sure, Hero used special effects too, but majority of the fighting between those two are the real deal--not just pretty moves choreographed to "look real."
It's the same thing as having an actor playing the role of a master musician and having that actor train to mimic a real musician's finger movements on an instrument VS. having a real legendary musician playing that part and filming his/her actual finger movements on the instrument. There is a huge difference. |
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