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J Bradford
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http://www.neostream.com/ 
click every link, if your like me, you'll click every link 10 times over. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:00 pm |
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I had a lot of fun being able to beat up shock-boy(shake the cursor around at him)
w0o!
ummm...yeah - this is cool - and good for their page and whatnot - cause hey.....they're selling their flash skills, so why not show em off on the site?, duh.
Thanks for sharing. =) |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:14 am |
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The Skill and Upcoming sections have very cool animations. More people should do this... vs stiff, slow, lazy 2d shape animations (you know what i am talking about?). So many come to mind, because 99% of flash is .. crap. Thanks for posting this.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:29 am |
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Yeah, beating this guy is wonderful.....Muhahaha
But he's intelligent, sometimes he jumps when I try to beat his feet - AI ?! 
Excellent site!!! |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:51 am |
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I actually saw the earlier versions of this one a couple of years ago I think it was...
I think it get�s kind of boring with all this Flash stuff, kind of overrated.
One site where the flash works is whatisthematrix.com.
uhhh, all this flying text and sound effex ....swoooshhh,,,....swissshhhh.Flying text......swwoshjssshshhs....flying text.....swoooshhhhssshhshshs.....flying skeletion.....shwowowowowosskssshhshhhhhshhshs....hehe
ok, I said earlier I�m bored...sorry.  |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 7:52 am |
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Well, I thought it was pretty cool... It's the first Flash site I've bookmarked in quite awhile in my "Xlent Flash Websites Section"
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:18 am |
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Definitely cool stuff and a fantastic use of Flash, but...
(damn... a "but")
The animation transitions bewteen navigable section is ass - not because they're poorly done ('cause they sure as hell aint), but because they get old after trying to navigate around. Don't get me wrong - it's awesome stuff, but I would prefer to see a standard global navset that expedites accessibility between sections. After two or three times it's tiresome; however, on a fair note to it's use the transitions are relatively fast.
Overall it's a kick ass site with high impact. These guys obviously know their stuff.
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| So many come to mind, because 99% of flash is .. crap |
Hehe - no one is ever going to let Nielson live that down, but he has in the last two years taken a different view from what he originally said. He has also been working closely with Macromedia and it's endeavors to standardized Flash as solid application for web based interactive development.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:08 am |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 9:21 am |
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*temp brain disorder*
my god.
I thought 2advanced.com was something
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:09 am |
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It is just my opinion, but 2advanced is a much better site. Why? To me it's a better site, because the information and content is more accessible.
Just my opinion. Argue all you want but I will not engage.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:16 am |
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THANK GOD!!!!!!! THis is what seperate the big designer from the 15 years old designer!!! THANK GOD! FINALLY SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT! I'm SICK and TIRED of 2advanced style, it was cool in 1979.
WOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!
SHIT ALL YOUR FUCKING PANTS NUDESIGNERZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzz ~!!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 10:37 am |
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| Gort wrote: |
Hehe - no one is ever going to let Nielson live that down, but he has in the last two years taken a different view from what he originally said. He has also been working closely with Macromedia and it's endeavors to standardized Flash as solid application for web based interactive development.
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I don't know what you are talking about there in regards to nielsen but flash for a 'solid application for web based interactive development' as long as it stays 'interactive' only is fine. Forms, large lists of text, messageboards, shopping carts etc. in flash are... stupid.
People have an annoying habit of using flash where you could do the same with simple dhtml. (not on the sites above.)
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:02 am |
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| Forms, large lists of text, messageboards, shopping carts etc. in flash are... stupid. |
OK - no offense Drunken Monkey, but Flash is very capable of doing these things, and it isn't a bad idea. The reasoning for this is that the means of delivering the funtionality is standardized into one format that is solid across all platforms and all operating systems. There is a huge problem with html these days, and it's the result of the different consortiums of developers all clamoring for a single standard. Furthermore developing with an emphasis in DHTML has it's woes due to browser indifference(s); it can be worked around but you have to put in a little extra to make it happen.
If you've followed any of Flash's latest developments you would know that it now works and communicates very well with databases. A very stellar example of this is iHotelier's One Screen Booking Application.
The absolute beauty of Flash for these types of things is that the catalyst for delivery is standardized, and creatives can now work on a canvas that is no longer bound by table widths, row spacing, dhtml sniffing, etc. etc. etc.
It's valid and sound endeavor and worth consideration. I am not saying that it's for everything, but it's more robust than you might think.
Flash - it's not just for breakfast anymore!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:31 am |
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That's cool...beating the little guy around is sooo much fun!
You can knock him on his ass if you move the curser up under him quickly.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:36 am |
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The coolest site I have ever seen is the Visual Thesaurus.
It's so good that it makes me sad that it's web-based. I would give my right arm to have it as a local application.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 11:49 am |
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| wow havnt seen a nice flash site for awhile now....*bookmarked* |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:50 pm |
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Another design that has impressed me recently are these guys:
http://www.blitzds.com
Incredibly cool. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 1:31 pm |
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| OK - no offense Drunken Monkey, but Flash is very capable of doing these things, and it isn't a bad idea. |
I am not gonna take offense at anything you say, don't worry. And I think its a terrible idea. Those interfaces are years away from being of any real use. Flash forms are a pathetic excuse to grab more market... you can't even copy/paste, tab through, or ctrl+f in text with them as you normally would. They are a drag. The only people who love them are the lazy arteest designers assigned with the task.
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| If you've followed any of Flash's latest developments you would know that it now works and communicates very well with databases. |
Cool.. i guess. I could still do it faster with dhtml and frames/iframes. Have you tried to consume a webservice in flash? There might not be anything like it, but i got 2 questions... WHY DO IT IN FLASH and WHY IS IT SO BUGGY? Again years away from any real use. I would rather have the customer do roundtrips, in the end they will end up with much less bandwith wasted as they would if they downloaded the latest and the greatest animated flash spreadsheet.
That booking applications is... crap. Sorry. Click... LOADING... click LOADING... put this onto a high traffic website, and have your bandwith bill increase tenfold. What a waste of money, and user time. Again... this technology is misapplied. Flash is good for animations, and sound where that is necessary. Beat my 2ms responses with page buffering (drawing the page in a hidden frame then dumping the html onto the real page), you don't even know if the page refreshes. And its fast. Do some dhtml tweaking and its even faster!
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The absolute beauty of Flash for these types of things is that the catalyst for delivery is standardized, and creatives can now work on a canvas that is no longer bound by table widths, row spacing, dhtml sniffing, etc. etc. etc. |
Cool. But you don't need much dhtml sniffing to run forms... :/ Maybe some years ahead when everyone is on a p4 3ghz, sitting in a t3 at home we will see full blown realtime windows like apps made entirely in flash. At the moment its ass. And not the best technology to solve that problem anyway imo. (Thin java/.net clients are)
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| It's valid and sound endeavor and worth consideration. I am not saying that it's for everything, but it's more robust than you might think. |
click LOADING... click LOADING... click LOADING...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 2:42 pm |
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Ah Monkey - LOL - to each his own! Listen (or look) - I am not saying that Flash increases load time, because it does - especially when it's some over designed piece of nonsense that impedes the user experience (enough of the motion please and where's the damned "skip intro" button?).
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| Those interfaces are years away from being of any real use. |
That's your opinion; my opinion thinks otherwise - it's closer than you think.
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| Have you tried to consume a webservice in flash? There might not be anything like it, but i got 2 questions... WHY DO IT IN FLASH and WHY IS IT SO BUGGY? |
LOL - why - because you can, and why is it buggy? I dunno - why don't you ask the developer; maybe he or she needs to brush up on Action Scripting skills. By the way, dhtml is buggy too.
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| Flash is good for animations, and sound where that is necessary |
I guess all that work into the Faslh MX Developer's Center at macromedia.com is moot then. You better get on the horn and save those poor suckers!
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| Cool. But you don't need much dhtml sniffing to run forms... |
And ya don't need dhtml either. ASP and PHP work just fine - unless it's a task specific to dhtml.
OK - I am not against you or your views concerning dhtml. I just think your judgements are a bit hasty - that's all. The beer is on me - OK?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 4:59 pm |
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Aiight man :]
Nothing is gonna come from this argument. I don't only think flash increases load times - i think it bloats something that already works well just to solve developer stupidity.
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I guess all that work into the Faslh MX Developer's Center at macromedia.com is moot then. You better get on the horn and save those poor suckers!
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Don't know and dont care what that is, honestly. Those same suckers thought that coldfusion was a good idea... you can conclude how smart they are from that.
I am not against anything either, as long as it doesnt backfire on me and i dont have to write thousands of lines of code for another henously stupid architecture, because someone thinks how easy and cross platform it is...
P.S.
No hard feelings at all man. I get into those arguments now and then... just for fun 
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Arguing? Na - more like healthy debating. Often the problem with threads is that no one can see or directly sense the inflections of one's view, and sometimes people easily misunderstand; I have from time to time, so I just wanted to call it out and let you know I am not the enemy!
No hard feelings taken nor any here either!
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| Wow. You two should be commended for engaging in the first debate that didn't ingnite itself into a flamewar. People around here could learn a lesson from this (including me). |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:19 pm |
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It's really cool, but the webdesign portion is weak, all it is, is a flash componant centered on the page
I would say it is top of class in flash design
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