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glody
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Sorry to spam this across multiple boards...but i would really like to hear from as many people as possible regaring this issue....Im trying to get at what went on at your school and possibly what could have made the art program better, in your opinion.OK...the other day, i was in my drawing class at school. Its unfortunately very general drawing class, and the teacher i feel is horrible...
(his site http://www.johnhughson.com )
hes very much into abstract art and stresses experimentation with a spectrum of materials. Which is all and good. But he DOESNT TEACH US ANYTHING....literally....i learn more on these boards than i do in class....is that sad? i think to a degree.
I feel that the drawing program at my school really needs to be revamped, and i was just curious as to what other peoples art programs are like....possibly a general run down of what types of courses other schools offer, and what they stress in regards to art etc. The different opportunities they possibly allow on top of just your art courses, maybe some optional fig drawing classes etc.....
If you could list like where you go and what the programs are like there, your opinions....what should and shouldnt be in the program, i would be very greatful to hear from as many people as possible regarding this topic.
Thanks in advance.
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Ian Jones
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:25 am |
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Just a quick reply...
From my experience, art classes don't teach you much... if anything. Sure the guy is giving you an opportunity to draw from life and maybe thats the benefit of it. Your best learning is due to your own motivation. Most lecturers or teachers dont give a damn about you personally so I've found that you have to surpass them and learn by yourself. You'll be stronger and better for it. Learning from this forum is a great start, get out there and seek more and more knowledge from as many sources as possible.
"Serious question for Current/Past Art Students etc" There is no such thing as a past art student! |
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Winter
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:08 pm |
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| Ian Jones wrote: |
| From my experience, art classes don't teach you much... |
that's horrible. you know some of us are actually paying for crap like that
| glody wrote: |
| i learn more on these boards than i do in class....is that sad? |
yes it is. i'm exactly where you are at this moment. and it hurts 
i'm affraid that's how it is in here as well. my college is horrible. found that out when i began to realize that i knew more than the teachers. we need better teachers. most of the students are planning on taking graduate classes because they didn't learn a thing. i'm trying to do twice as much so more school wouldnt be necessary. is this how it is in every college? 
basically whatever work i do, the teacher would say "woo nice job" or give a dumbass comment which is WRONG and i RATHER NOT HEAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. i'd be happy if i could hand pick a few of the talented people in this forum as my teachers.  |
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atomicmonkey
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:10 pm |
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| From my experience, art classes don't teach you much... |
I think it depends on where you go to school and what kind of teachers you have. I'm attending Sheridan College right now in art fundamentals, and will be going into the animation program next year, and I've experienced or heard of great and crappy teachers in both programs. I have one painting teacher that I swear just keeps talking about warms and cools and it drives everyone in the class nuts. You'll notice when you look at this painting, there's some cools in the warms, and some warms in the cools - It's all the guy says. Anyway, I have a drawing teacher who goes completely by the book. Taking lessons and tips right from Betty Edwards or Kimon Nicolaides and presents them to us. Very effective teaching, since both of those authors know what they're talking about, but do I really need to pay someone to read the book to me? lol.
One thing I have been pretty happy with for the most part at this school, is the feedback I can get from the teachers. Even my crazy painting teacher will visit my easel 5 or 6 times each class and talk with me about what is working and what isn't in my painting. Not a lot of teachers do this but I have had some good experience in this area. Some being the key word here, since some classes are a joke.
However, I can say one thing I am surely happy about at Sheridan College, they focus on the basics. For the actual core drawing, painting, ect classes, they pound the basics into you. Sure, creativity is always encouraged and gladly welcome, but this school is for hardcore training, plain and simple. Art Fundementals has been pretty tame for the most part, but I hear I wont have much of a life next year in Animation, the workload is pretty intense. As frustrating or even sometimes boring the basics may seem, they are absolutely essential. Studying life, life, life, and more life, and then after that, more life again. I doing work from life in each of my drawing a painting classes every week, get homework from those classes that involve life studies as well, and then on top of that there's at least... lemme think, 10 or so 3 hour extra life drawing sessions I have the oppertunity of attending on top of my own classes each week. This is only the Fundamentals program though, animation is supposed to be loaded with life manditory drawing.
I still say no matter what art school you go to, however, you'll learn the most from your fellow students in your classes than any instructors. And that kind of environment can NOT be duplicated outside of school. I also completely agree with the person who said it's really up to your own motivation to get an effective learning experience. |
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Ian Jones
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:11 pm |
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I did say specifically from my experience. Of course it depends where you go. I got burnt, and a few times aswell... The problem with art schools, or perhaps more generally university is that you get taught by industry professionals or 'experts' in their field, and that doesn't necessarily mean they are actually good at teaching. Sadly in most cases I have found that they may well be 'experts' but they sure as hell can't transfer that knowledge very effectively to students. Hence teachers need to know their stuff as well as being able to actually teach.
I do think they are a good idea though. I would still do mine again. It's just a pity they can't do better. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:37 am |
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[size=18]My school is the same way. I have a great art teacher and he helps out and incourages us to use different medias and help us out some what. But we Have an Ap Art class which helps us focus on an concentration and breath work for art. I know the teacher should help us out more bu tlisten if there a good teacher they can help You if you ask for it. But you've got to try and find out for yourself what techiques your looking for in the meanwhile this site is great.  [/size]
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:12 pm |
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The best way to teach art - once the basics are understood - is to talk about life.
It is true that there are teachers who jump to the "talk about life" stage before really dealing with the basics... but, the best way to teach art, once the basics are understood, is to talk about life...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:57 pm |
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| If what you're after is good draftsmanship, I would suggest that you track down a teaching artist that has the draftsmanship or painting skills you seek, and not just leave it to chance that maybe your school has some good instructors. Find your teacher. There's a chance that they may not teach at universities or accredited art schools because they may not have a degree if they trained in europe or at an atelier. It would be difficult for Sargent to teach in modern times at a university because of his non formal training. Try to make it down to the Art Students League in NYC to see what I mean. |
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KnuckleHead
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:53 am |
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Hi Glody,
You are not alone.
I am an old fart. The first time I was in college was in the early 70's.
I had One excellent art teacher, five so-so art teachers and two Dreadful art teacher.
Two years ago, I went back to college.
(Mass. college of Art)
To learn computer software programs.
So far, I am very pleased. I have had 3 fantastic teachers, two so-so teacher, and one dreadful teacher.
If possible, just drop the teacher that sucks and transfer to another teacher. If that is not possible, drop the course, then pick it up next year (with another teacher).
Nothing is more frustrating than paying good money to listen to an incompetent teacher.
I think the reason there are so many lousy teachers "out there" is because they are hired because they are talented. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that they automaticallly make good teachers.
Remember, teaching in itselfs is a talent. |
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KnuckleHead
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Hi Glody,
You are not alone.
I am an old fart. The first time I was in college was in the early 70's.
I had One excellent art teacher, five so-so art teachers and two Dreadful art teacher.
Two years ago, I went back to college.
(Mass. college of Art)
To learn computer software programs.
So far, I am very pleased. I have had 3 fantastic teachers, two so-so teacher, and one dreadful teacher.
If possible, just drop the teacher that sucks and transfer to another teacher. If that is not possible, drop the course, then pick it up next year (with another teacher).
Nothing is more frustrating than paying good money to listen to an incompetent teacher.
I think the reason there are so many lousy teachers "out there" is because they are hired because they are talented. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that they automaticallly make good teachers.
Remember, teaching in itselfs is a talent.
After I posted...I looked at your teachers art (through your link).
Personally, I don't care for abstract art, so his work does not appeal to me.
However, there are many abstract artists "out there" who may find his work fantastic. It is unfortunate that you did not know that he was an abstract artist before you signed up for his class.
Next time you sign for a class ....find out all you can about the teacher and his art.
So hang in there....and next semester, find a class that is more to your taste in art. |
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