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Rinaldo · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:07 am

hello all

pencil
http://www.seraphseven.com/rinaldo/bugglefug/ideas_17.jpg

old stuff (might have seen it b4)

blah, not so keen on this. silly errors. stupid idea.

v/old sketch. (hey suma:) I have not abandoned this yet.

after mignola:/

sketch- http://www.seraphseven.com/rinaldo/bugglefug/Vampier_sketch.jpg

http://www.seraphseven.com/rinaldo/bugglefug/ideas_15.jpg

got some more stuff I need to scan. finnaly doing some work instead of playing games all day :B

I am starting to like painter...which is very scary. still can't totaly get past the f#*king lack of a navigator/preview window. but ehh. it's kinda fun to just paint without worrying about overall composition and stuff...ignorance is bliss. having more fun with it than photasop anyways. which is more important to me atm. interested to see what people say about the top 2 (all the rest is older ps stuff). also given up drawing digitaly...again not as much fun as with a pencil.

having lots of fun making mistakes with painter:) I love making stuff "wrong". it looks better! :F digital is the worst in that reguard. so easy to stress and change shit.

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Awetopsy · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:03 pm

Ack! Rinaldo.. since when did you start posting again? well anyways.. welcome back for sure!!! Smile

(or did you never leave?) its nice to see all the Sijun oldies returning to their roots.. Smile

great pics.. love the old guy.. the colors are great.. you and isric have this vsimilar style thing going on... cool stuff.

merlyns · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:08 pm

great style. I love it totaly the colors are indeed beuatifull.

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Joachim · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:57 pm

absolutely awesome rinaldo. And I think these are more controlled than what I've seen from you before.

*haven't written here in months, but I just had drop this a comment Wink

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Isric · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:14 pm

As always, you amaze and inspire me.
It's good to see this new stuff. Wonderful, rich characters. I hope you make more. soon.
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mh · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:19 pm

Aww .. its a good day when Rinaldo starts posting again. These are lovely, they are all great! Hope we�ll get to see more from you soon. Keep it up!

Cos · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:21 pm

Hey hey, good to see you back Rin.

Sweet sketches, very nice fluidity to these, and lovely palettes. That second is my fav. Like the fact you can still see the raw foundations of the sketch through it.

Hows the job at Ratbag been going?

Again great stuff, always enjoy your work. Post more shit man Smile

Mr. T · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:26 pm

hell must be freezin over. man it's good to see you back among the living! i see you managed to gain control over painter without losing your characteristic signature. that first pic looks pretty much like the old PS ones, but sharper and more detailed. that hand is awesome. it will be interesting to see where will you be heading with painter in the future

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Francis · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:58 pm

eeeee!*

(*"Cool stuff d00d!")
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gezstar · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:13 pm

Sweeet!!

That'll be all from me Smile

spooge demon · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:21 am

reeaaally nice!

I hereby give up ever trying to draw anything.

SolarC · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:53 am

nonsense drawdrawdraw *spanks spooge* Twisted Evil

Rinaldo: beautiful work!

oDD · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:19 am

awesome !!

remember that games are evil Wink

less plaing more posting here !
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ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Welcome back Rinaldo.

These are really sweet. Glad you're playing around with Painter thesedays.

rudolf · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:11 am

wow wow we!!
Very nice, love the first one!
Nice to see you again!
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-HoodZ- · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:13 am

ooo more please

Fred Flick Stone · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:48 pm

Yeah...great to see your work again. This stuff is awesome. Way more refined from your last stuff, and as usual, stunning.
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AliasMoze · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 4:22 pm

Wow. Extremely nice stuff. I remember the work you posted in the old days, and it's staggering you've come so far. It's inspirational, and so are these images. Now draw ME!

Frost · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 8:26 pm

Great stuff Rinaldo! Nice char designs and drawings. Good job!

visualmyriad · Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:04 pm

Wonderful--the drawing, the style, the rendering. so where abouts in Adelaide are you working???
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Basement bound · Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:30 pm

Good to see your stuff back here again. I really like the diverse and orignal ideas.
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Tyler Durden · Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:54 pm

YES!!!
New work from you!
These are great man, i love it.
Now if you would only fix your site!!!
Good stuff, thanks for posting!
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Max · Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 3:10 am

Yes, your stuff is quite cool. i dig the style

gLitterbug · Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:33 am

Very nice Rinaldo, I�ve always been in love with your stuff, you�re one of the best here imho. Your style and design is always a joy to my eyes!

Glad to see you posting again!

Rinaldo · Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2003 12:29 pm

wow, thanks for the positive response everyone,
argh, I am never sure how to reply to so many posts:o I'll try one by one this time.

Awetopsy- lol, I never "stoped" ^_^ I just got very sick of forums for a while (jaded). it is great to see more people from the old school coming back once in a while. I think I have missed it a lot. more than I thought I had. I hesitate to post lots of replies tho. my objective crit skills are lacking thesedays:) hehe

merlyns-thanks:)

Joachim- hey! I am glad you did stop by. your oppinion means a lot to me. :)

Isric- hey man. thanks. I think we both need to most more:P I will if you will hehe.

mh-thanks.

Cos- thanks man, it is good to be back posting. I hope I don't fade away again like I did last time.
I am not longer working at ratbag btw:) freelancing atm. (read; playing too many games @_@) need to chat some more on icq or woteva. u are getting insanely good dude!

Mr. T- hey, I think the main reason I am trying to switch. is cos my working method in PS was getting very stale and methodical. there were no tools that let me really "paint" in the style that I was working towards. and the line making tools in painter are far far superior. smoother crisper etc. considering I use a lot of line I was getting sick of the cruddy PS stroke control. I prefer to splash and smudge paint around. and painter seems to let me do that more.
also, it is not as friendly to re-working stuff easily. so it forces you to get it right first time, and think from base to finish. instead of just being lazy and doing tons of adjusting and stuff at the end when it all looks like shite :D

Francis-allo. :D

gezstar- thx

spooge demon- wow, thanks. :) (I hope you mean drawing drawing as opposed to painting. hehe it's easy, just put lines everywhere to cover up the fact that you can't paint)

SolarC- :)

oDD- games are evil in so many ways :F take up time and sap creativity. :(

ceenda- thanks man.

rudolf- thx :)

-HoodZ- yes sir, coming right up :B

Fred Flick Stone- hey Ron, thanks. I am still mulling over the stuff you posted recently. esp that stuff on chroma. that made more than a few things click into place. I am still working it out in my head. will post some stuff soon. it has really opened some doors for me that i thought would be forever locked.

AliasMoze- thanks man. I used to really suck bad:) considering how much of a slaker I am. it's staggering that I have improved at all!
are you doing any art these days or just writing/directing. would be cool to see some new stuff from you.

Frost- thanks:)

visualmyriad- thanks- I think you asked the same Q last time I posted something. I thought I had replied but I just saw that I left about 4 replies un-answered back then:o
I was working at Ratbag games as cos mentiond. started as the resident texture monkey/bitch. eheh. I was doing some concept stuff right b4 I left (was layed off with a bunch of other people due to project drop)
now I am doing nothing. lucky enough to have a girlfriend who takes pity on me and is supporting my efforts to get into comics.
if you have icq/msn/aim would be good to hook up for a chat. I'm always interested in talking to others from Oz :)

Basement bound-thanks:)

Tyler Durden- thx- the site was abandoned when I lost my HD and the files along with it. it was only half finished and all the special fireworks and PS files that I could change easily died. so I just left it. will be getting my own domain and some space prety soon. at which stage I will remake the whole thing. (that's the plan anyways)

Max Kulich-cheers :)

gLitterbug- hey, thanks, you are too kind :)
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themagicpen · member Member # Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 81

You friggen rock RIn ...miss seeing you scribble in PC Crying or Very sad

Malachi Maloney · Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2003 2:29 pm

Stunning.

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ShawnYe · Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 8:35 pm

Wow freaking awesome. Love your style

KnuckleHead · junior member Member # Joined: 28 Nov 2002 Posts: 6

Hi Rinaldo,
I love your art!
I have a question about painter.
I purchased Painter 6 about two years ago. I then purchased the painter wow book.
The book confuses me. And the help section in painter is not very helpful (to me).
So I have barely used the program.
I see talented artists like yourself who are sucsessfully using painter.
And I wish I could figure out how to "really" use and understand the program.
I had no problem learning how to use adobe Illustrator or Photoshop.
(For me...the "bible books" were great teachers to learn these programs)
I am just dissapointed that after so long, there are no other teaching books on the market for painter except for a single "Wow" book.
Before I start getting hisses and boo's from "Wow" fans...I know this book is great for a lot of people, but it just isn't my style. And I wish there was at least one other book out there on Painter.
Painter 8 is going to be released this may or April. I would love to purchase the program to use in Apples OS Jaguar. (painter 6 can only be used in os9)
Can you tell me how a Painter-wana-be (me), can lean how to use painter inspite of the fact that there is only (to my knowledge) a single wow book on the market as a teaching guide? (One size does not fit all) Or do I just have to tweek and screw around with the program until I figure out how to use it?
Thanks for any suggestions.
(sorry for spelling errors...I cant find spell check.)

Rinaldo · Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 4:03 pm

themagicpen/Malachi Maloney/ShawnYe - thanks guys:)

KnuckleHead- well, I am actuialy one of the worst people to ask this lol. I have no real love of painter. don't know how to use it that well. and have only been doing so for a few pictures at the most.
erm. fist off. all the brushes that come with it are essentialy a waste of time. although some are good ideas. I never use any of them without substantialy tweaking the look. you gotta know how to use the brush system. then you gotta make/borrow/steal/aquire a more limmited set of brushes that suit the way you want to work. then learn how the paper system works to give texture.
it's really not that complicated. but you have to realise that a lot of the stuff in painter is just silly nonsense (IMHO) they put a lot of rubbuish in there to make it more user friendly to traditional painters and such. that is the only way I can see it. thus it has a sizeable portion of bloat. and things that don't really make sense if you've come from PS/adobe/etc. just ignore it all. work out what the basic things you need to make a picture are. and be prepaired to spend ages messing with the brushes until you get to grips with them.
painter has one of the steepest learning curves I have encountered. you literaly can spend aaaages in there and learn nothing...or at least it seems that way. just keep playing with it. when you get to a stage where you have the ability to use it in a basic sense...ie you have some brushes that you like. and can make pictures. then just keep doing that and when you find you need something, just look in the help. there is no point in trying to learn the whole program, it is too complicated and bloated.
most people use only a few brushes. ones that they have tweaked to pefection.
the problem is that there is simply too much stuff in there that seems important. just break it down. work on the brushes first. start making pictures. try to have fun and pick up little bits that are relevant to what you are doing, as you go.

you'd be best off asking this question in the painter 7 section of http://www.conceptart.org/forums/ I think. quite a few people use it there to good effect.

cheers
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