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Germ01
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Oh look! Drew Struzan does the samething.....
Along with many other working artists in the field.
Who cares! Bri and Davi who in the hell do you think you are?!!!! You guys are like Soup Nazis or something. Its like, if you do this and this and this, you're not an artist?! Who gave you the right to proclaim who's an artist and who's not? Malachi has ALWAYS been and acted like a true proffessional. Oh yeah and Malachi I really hope you still post here and at the other forums, despite some of the negative and rude comments people threw at you. I'm pretty confident there are alot of us who respect and appreciate your work! Please don't let a few bad apples ruin everything.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:36 am |
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You totally have raison Germ01...
It's amazing and stupid! It's sure that Malachi used models! And it's visible... but his interpretation is really great and his art and his style, really present! You can't kill him like this because you found his photo ref. That's not the good solution... you should more ask him how he build it. He can't excuse him because he knows drawn with this good style!
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The piece by Drew Struzan isn't the same thing, he used reference because he probably had to for the image. Movie covers can't be considered as the same thing. Also, his covers have alot more creativity. Malachi just finds a photo and HARDLY paints over and says it's his. There is a big difference between tracing an image and using an image for reference and using artistic style. I see no style in his work. Esp because i know he can't paint anything beyond figures.
If malachi has talent for drawing figures i'd like to see some life drawing. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 8:23 am |
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Okay davi, I think you're pushing things a little too far.
If that is the way you want to look at it, I can say the same about your work. Your work also has zero creativity and variation. A bunch of huge-footed ogre monsters with big long arms and equally huge hands? Usually shaded with some kind of strange diagonal lines in a really noodly way -- you call that art?
Or maybe that really awesome way you use the dry ink brush in painter to make really messy compositions that you can blame on the tool instead of your own lack of ability?
If you think Malachi has an ego, you should take an objective look at yourself. I've never seen someone so critical of others, but such an underachiever himself.
Maybe you should spend less time on IRC, and more time practicing, huh? |
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WOW!~ WELL PLAYED
This looks like an EXCELLENT place to lock this Thread...... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:46 am |
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Yes, take a hint for glodys sake. One and all across multiple forums are tired of this BS. Glass houses and stones do not a make for a good combination or a strong argument.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 10:33 am |
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WOW!~ WELL PLAYED
This looks like an EXCELLENT place to lock this Thread...... |
give it a few days..... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 10:40 am |
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| Malachi has ALWAYS been and acted like a true proffessional |
right buddy, does this professionalism include the multiple time he has called the eatpoo forum a bunch of "retards".
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 10:53 am |
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| Malachi has ALWAYS been and acted like a true proffessional |
right buddy, does this professionalism include the multiple time he has called the eatpoo forum a bunch of "retards". |
Can you prove they arent?
maybe with a GIF or something?? That would be cool!! |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:05 am |
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wow it took a while. i was beginning to think this wasnt going to flame up.
useless statement achieved, MrSmith goes home.
[edit]goddamnit i couldnt resist. i am so weak.:
here's my newest work
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davi
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1) Intuos, i've done 12 drawings this week and it's wednesday.
2) I spent about 5 days playing with dry brush, and every piece i feel was a sucess
3) I've done over 80 creature concepts, and the artwork you probably saw was in the peroid where my computer got screwed up and i only had the option of using Open canvas, and now that my website was deleted i don't have the option to back myself up completely, but here a few references of what i have done this week: http://www.sleepisevil.com/~davi/pirate.jpg http://www.sleepisevil.com/~davi/male002x3.jpg http://www.sleepisevil.com/~davi/sp-001.jpg http://www.sleepisevil.com/~davi/spacegirl.jpg
I find it very exterme to call me an under achiever, i have learned by myself and still am. Yesterday Jason Manley suggested i apply a ringling, yet I can't due to lack of money.
so know that i got the retarded personal threats out of the way
My views are harash on Malachi because he lies to his "fans", saying things that make him sounds professionaland not telling people that he uses references and completely used the colors and forms.
- IE: ("The shadows (or lack there of) on her left hand are cohesive with the lighting on the rest of her body to the best of my judgment")
-- That is such a bullshit comment. he was coloring right over the photo, what "judgement" do you need to make for that?
I will and never have said using references makes an artist less of an artist. In my opinion Malachi has never done anything original, hell look at the gif I posted, he kept even kept the freaking santa hat and gloves.
I'm mean seriously, people get banned for tracing artists like adam hughes and jim lee but since Malachi knows how to make it look like he rendered a piece by himself it's ok? He didn't even start a new image in the santa one, he painted right over it, why is he getting away with this? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:15 am |
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I post regularly on eatpoo and it doesn't make you a r... r. ...rrrr.....RRRRErrrrrrr....rrrRRRRRrrRRrrr....REEE...REEEEEEE..... RrrrrRRrrRRETARRRRRrrRRD...
About Malachi's pic. It's not a favourite one of mine. Technically, it's excellent, and alot of effort went into it. I believe that close reference is fine because, heck, he's doing this for a living and deadlines are tight. However, such is working with clients that what you produce is supposed to satisfy them... and not necessarily a forum populated by socially-inept forum-goers [puts hand up]. I think Malachi wanted crits... which he got. He also got a fair amount of abuse, but hey, this "teh inter-web".
Davi or Briareos might point out that I called this "Bad surfboard art" on IRC. I did. I think it is. But that's more to do with the style and content of the picture and not the talent that has gone into it. I think perhaps the forward lighting made it appear a bit "decal/sticker" like. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:16 am |
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| mrsmith: ha! you need to add a horriblely rendered sawn head in the background and sign it before that can be real "ART" |
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right buddy, does this professionalism include the multiple time he has called the eatpoo forum a bunch of "retards".
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Its funny when you pick and choose what someone said. But I recall Malachi saying something to this effect.
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Ahh... eatpoo. What a weird combination of wonderfully talented artists and complete retards.
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And based on the some of comments he received on that forum, I don't blame him.
We need a mod here.... Hey C_COw you think you can get deputized here too? 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:52 am |
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Bri/davi~ You two are such awesome artists, man. You're right, I should paint more like the both of you. Please teach me the art of being a complete asshole. Please.........
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ok, i got my point across, and anything else the comes out of this conversation will end up being personal bickering. i have said everything i wished to have said about the piece.
and if you want an honest crit. take life drawing malachi, paint from life and in this picture here you need to add either a shadow or something else on the ground to show she is level. |
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| and if you want an honest crit. take life drawing malachi, paint from life and in this picture here you need to add either a shadow or something else on the ground to show she is level. |
Ya know, that's actually a valid critique, davi. It's too bad it took you fallowing me around between two forums trying to slander me, my work and my reputation for a week before you could come up with it.
As I've said to folks like you and bri in the past..... If you don't like me or my work, go elsewhere. No one forced you to push that reply button. When you go out of your way to attack me you just end up making yourself look like an asshole.
Have I ever come up in one of your threads and tried to attack you? Have I ever gone out of my way to let you know what an asshole I think you are? The answer is no. The simple fact of the matter is; I have never tried to treat you badly in any way shape or form. And I expect the same respect in return. If you don't have something nice to say, or a valid critique to offer, simply ignore my post as I do yours.
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Individually the background and the subject are rendered very well, and your style and talent seems to have improved a great deal from when I first saw your stuff many eons ago at a lil forum called Polykarbon. Its a shame, wherever you go its inevitable that your posts turn into some sort of abuse...ah well. Anyways I am sure you are quite confident in your own skill and success to not be bothered by certain comments. With that said on to the critique. 
Where this image suffers is the composition. The two elements (background and subject as I see it) are not reading well together there is a great deal of conflict going on. I realize that this was a client work and that certain things were requested and necessary, however I know you are capable of far better composition. Here is what I see as compositionally 'off' in this image:
1) Subject looks as though she was cut out from a magazine and just slapped on a background. I think that she just needs to be some how more 'grounded' or anchored - some sort of visual connection with the bg.
2) The flower (which I realize was required to be in the painting) looks like its growing out of her head and is distracting - was there some symnbology or purpose for this position choice?
3) Colors...well there is a lot going on and to my eye not alot of harmony with the subject (primarily the skin tones) and bg..at least to my eye.
So there it is...your talent is indeed amazing so please take my crits as is - from a purely 'design' standpoint.
Keep up the amazing and inspiring work, I am glad to see you are doing so well.
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i dont think the forums are necessarily for group ass patting. if you want some nice comments, go show your drawings to your mom. if people don't like something, and they say it, its their right. i'm tired of all this bs because everyone believes that they are in the right (especially me).
as for a crit, i believe that your abilities in rendering are more advanced than your ability to comprehend what you are looking at (this means you're a good copier, but you dont understand what it is you are copying). You are able to copy what is given to you, but it seems that you are unable to elaborate on it in more advanced ways(that means you cant elaborate on what youre copying, like changing the colors of the lights or even their source. the example of another person that traces, drew sturzan, has understanding of advance issues notice how he can make the photo BETTER).
a great artist said something like "it is the duty of an artist to hide the flaws of reality," (i think it was loomis). you should work first on understanding of the figure, obivously, you dont quite know what you see. Take life drawing, study the work of master painters and draftsmen. Right now, there appear to be some strangeness happening with her ribcage beneath her breasts and in her legs. I'm sure there are other anatomical problems that appear in your painting, but im not very experienced in dealing with the human figure. If your only arguement with that is "thats how it looked in the reference," thats not good enough. Cameras create distortions and represent reality in a way that isnt what one would truely see with the eye. It should be for reference or a starting point and then things can be corrected to be more true or accurate. To carry the theme of hiding the "flaws of reality," take a look at the face and the hand. Look at the wrinkles, etc. could you have made it more idealized? The light is harsh and accentuates her features (this tends to create drama, i think you probably were aiming to idealize this woman).
Thats enough for now. i doubt you need to tell us "Subject painted freehand in Photoshop on a 9x12 Wacom Intuos tablet." it's kinda demeaning. you should try to keep an open mind about art and the crits. i dont really care about you or this piece. i think the only merit it has is smooth gradations you have. everything else needs work. thank god im done looking at this.... i think im gonna have nightmares... i think im gonna stare at some waterhouses or some pyles to clean my brain out. |
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| oh god, seb summed up everything i meant to say without looking like an ass.. |
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jesus christ you guys are talking about "what it takes to be a great artist"... I mean, who the fuck cares if your client likes what you did in the first place?
Also if you guys have done life drawing you'd know how hard it is to actually render a person to look exactly how they do in real life. Well Malachi is just really good at doing that in his own style... whether or not you think it is "artistically masterful" doesn't matter, it's your opinion and it doesn't really mean anything as everyone has their own opinion. Hell if the great John Singer Sargent himself came in here and said "Wow that's pretty cool" your opinion would be... meh, but it would still have it's place.
The point of a crit forum to is point out areas of a piece you think could be improved upon... not to bash down a piece because it doesn't conform to your beliefs of what art should be.
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i wasnt an ass? *sighs* i gotta practice that more... one day i hope to have mastery over my ass powers like you, d.
before i forget...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2003 6:29 pm |
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you guys win gold medal for the most retarded flame war i have ever seen on 'teh' internet.....
you guys are on some uppity crusade to prove that malachi is NOT a true artist...the fact is...he gets paid for what he does...how do you guys make a living? you go to school.....you owe loans...until your out there making the big bucks....then....just maybe you can talk.....
davi, brieros, seburo....you guys dont like his work... that has been established...i enjoy everyones work here...that includes you 3 as well....
.....next time when he posts something....we already know what your going to say....so theres no point in trying to make "an artistic statement" regarding his work.....let it go and everyone goes back to their normal lives......
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hey gloady, i dont think what i said qualifies as a flame. i gave him a pretty honest crit of what i see in his work. I think he has quiet a considerable skill in rendering, but he is doing extra work because his drawing isnt as good as could be. I really have no problem with malachi or his work. i am on no crusade to prove anything. i don't conside myself an artist. artists starve whereas i do not and do not intend to.
as for what i do, i am a student. i owe no loans due to the generous scholarship my school has seen fit to award me. I have been the teacher's assistant for multiple drawing classes. I have taught a department sponsored sketching workshops for over a year with one of my friends. i have subsitute taught on several occasions. i have done some concept work, both for free and for money. HOW DARE YOU SAY I AM NOT ALLOWED TO TALK. i try to be humble in my position as a draftsman. i do not post mostly because i am very insecure about my work. i think it sucks. i want to one day to be considered a great sketch artist or visualizer, but until then im just garbage. plus, its nice when people help you see things in your work. you learn the most when you try to think humbly.
plus i didnt say anything about it "artistically."
if you had a problem with the flame war, why are you prolonging it? why not sit on your hands and shut your pie hole until a cute girl walks by. thats sure as hell is what i'm doing...
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leave seb alone,
and leave my sister alone.
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just to let you know that pretty little girl that walks by is my retarded sister...
did i say you werent allowed to talk? if you can point out in my post where i said YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO TALK....please feel free to let me know. I simply stated we already know what your going to say based on past forum 'discussions' on his work....and the fact that it gets old and predictable.
"you learn the most when you try to think humbly." How is shooting someone elses work down being humble? im not referring to you or what you commented regarding his work. everyone has their own opinions everyone has the right to their own opinions....
congratulations on all your endevours.....i too have been given a wonderful scholarship for all things related to what i do best...design...i help out the teacher with all things related to the classes and design at our school....even have done a couple DESIGN workshops.... big deal
.....i however had nothing to do with our website due to the fact that its HORRID design and illustration/fine arts are two very different things...on ALMOST every level.
i am a very humble person as well. i post things because i would like to be critiqued on my work...i dont post to have my work pissed all over. why? because i already know its horrible....im a very outgoing person...i dont get embarrassed to show my work....im interested in HOW THE HELL CAN I MAKE IT BETTER.....what can i do, what are the possibilites that i maybe have missed....
I come to the forums as an outlet to learn and become inspired, also to see what else is out there. I feel its a good place to socialize on ones down time from daily life... a release if you will....am i some loser who site shackeled to his computer night and day? not at all i have friends i do things...i draw i learn i paint i design....i try to get the most out of each and every day.....
Seb i dont think you should be embarrassed posting your work, i think your stuff is great and should post more....
"why not sit on YOUR hands and shut your pie hole until a cute girl walks by."
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haha
let's lynch him already, this is taking too long. where's the mob?
anyway lemme quote myself: "you can really do whatever you say. your art will be your protection. any flamer without talent wont go far. a flamer with great art will prevail"
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haha i wasnt attacking seb. he told me to sit on my hands...i actually prefer my thumb...its a little thicker....fan of the girth... 
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