[Nirox]

I've herd alot of it...ive seen some of it
yet i still dont know what it is...

some one please help me out =)
thanks
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[tilokani]

and matte painting is be like, quoting the Craig Mullins,

"These are images meant to fool the eye. Usually there is live action photography of a set or actors, and the painting is intended to blend seamlessly with the photography. This can save much time and money, or make a shot possible that would be impossible by any other means. Matte paintings used to be painted on glass or large panel, and composited (combined a frame at a time with the photography) within the camera itself. Digital technology has changed matte painting quite a bit. See also the link to "How I Work" to get an idea of the process."

And i be's like, whoa!
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[Nirox]

ok..i guess now i know what it means
but i still dont know how to make a matte painting....


do you just take a picture and paint on it?
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[Loki]

No - that would be a 'photo overpaint' or whatever you call it.

Basically, nowadays it a created enviroment/background that is the composited into a live-action plate of a movie. It's being done when it's impossible or too expensive to build or photograph a set for a movie.

As long as you don't work on a movie/video frame I'd call it 'matte painting style" and not a matte painting, since that usually involves 'something moving'.
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[Nirox]

hehee.. ok then..
whats the differnce between "photo overpaint" and "matte painting style"
seems to me that if i take a picture of lets say a tree...
and paint stuff ontop of it... thats "photo overpaint"
but isnt it the same thing for matte painting style?



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[mza]

[antx]

Nirox: Go check out Loki�s site for instance http://www.vigilante.net/~loki . There you will find some examples which will explain it to you better than probably words could do.

[breeze]

Has anyone played the game Max Payne?

If so, I would think that the 'comicbook' style cut-scenes in the game would be 'matte style' .. would I be correct?!
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[AndyT]

In Max Payne it's not supposed to fool the eye ... just to look pretty (btw I think it does)!
I guess it's 'comicbook style'.
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[spooge demon]

mmza, maybe some photographic extensions would be better, you know, take a photo and paint out from the edges. It is really good training and a lot easier than paintings from scratch.

But I would be careful about getting into matte art as a living, more and more of it is going 3d, this has been happening for a while now. It's one of the many reasons why I do so many sketches around here and have made a conscious effort to move into other areas of illustration. Some say they will never be able to do skies, but they will, or time pressure will cause photos to become a bigger part of things. Probably should- matte painting macho is a sad thing-the shot is the most important, not ones painting ability. But skies in 3-d are not that far off. In the end, you will be a compositor, and a really good one, cause matte artist training is the best you can get for compositing. Or you will be painting in little squares and elements in the far BG or texture painting for 3d.

I think the most fun and the most secure in the long run is designer. But then you half to argue with exceptionally dim people with very strong opinions who also see themselves as designer. My personality is to hide in the closet and say you win, but you can't do that!

[Waldo]

I did two old school matte paintings back in '86 so let me see if I can explain how it was done then without thoroughly confusing everyone...

One of the shots the studio wanted was of our heroine dangling out a window of ~30 story building in the heart of downtown Ft. Worth, Texas. Yeehaw! The film they provided was of our dangling damsel in the lower half of the shot, about three stories off the ground. In the top half was their state of the art safety measures which consisted of three layers of mattresses and the crew standing around in case something happened and she "bounced". No joke. We're talking major studio production here. Anyway, the mattress and crew had to be transformed into a 30 story cityscape so what we did was take their film and load it into a projector. We then projected that film on to a highly reflective screen with a sheet of glass laid over it. But before we did that, we determined where the mattresses and crew were in the shot and painted those areas on the glass flat black. Once that was done, we projected and filmed at the same time so what we had in our camera was film with just the lower area of the dangling damsel exposed. Then over the flat black I got busy painting in the high rise cityscape. Once that was done, we rewound the film in our camera, blacked out the screen, and lit the painting. Then we filmed that to expose the top half of the film and viola! Your dangling Cow Town damsel in distress. For fun we thought we'd see if we could animate a car driving down the street so I took a small piece of tag board and painted one up. We then did the shot frame by frame and moved the car a 32nd of an inch in each frame and it worked! That's the shot they used in the film.

Anyway, short story long. It was somewhat arduous, but it was a lot of fun. Hope that made sense and gave you a little insight on one way visual effects used to be done. Oh, and the movie was so bad it never saw a theater here. Went straight to European video...

Later.

[mza]