[shinji69]

Everyone knows that state-funded universities are much cheaper than private colleges.

That's especially true in California. As low as less than 800 bucks a semester. Isn't that something?

There are at least 4 states universities in California that offer 'acceptable' art programs: CSU Long Beach, CSU Fullerton, CSU Northridge and (CSU) San Jose State Univ. Many of the graduates are known to be able to compete with those who graduated from Art Center or Cal Arts.

I dunno. I am not really sure about this. In fact, I certainly doubt that. I am aiming to transfer to CSU Long Beach for illusration major. (or Fullerton for entertainment design) If I get kicked out from the military thanks to the reports by Jezebel and Socar, well, then I'd finish the rest of my core classes and go on with my life plan. (as long as I don't get a dishonorable discharge or go to jail I don't care. According to the intelligence source I know the war will be indefinitely longer and uglier... I'd rather stay away from Middle East area.)

Anyway, here's my point.

Why in the devil won't public universities offer competive art programs?! I mean, WHY NOT? It seems that state univ.s in CA and NY carry some decent art programs. But what about the rest of the state?

State like Oregon largely relies on private non-credit studios. (and yes, Oregon is the haven for Christian artists and the state motto is "We add 'fun' in Fundamental Extremism".) Anyway, why can't state-funded 4-year universities carry good art programs modeled after 19-th century atelier system? The only big problem will be finding the people who can teach! The rest of the problem will lie on more political things like replacing existing 'incompetent' instructors and stuff....

Why doesn't anybody bring this up? Wouldn't it be wonderful to learn from the basic in a state-funded cheap university? What would be that hard? Finding models? Salaries? Funding for a new studio? Purchasing props and new easels? Recruiting 'capable' instructors? Well, just pick up laid-off Disney animators and background painters and the problem with finding instructors will be over, at least for drawing and painting classes.

Need instructors for sculpture classes? Damn, just bring people who got fired from XFX or KNB to teach the student!!!!!!!

Somebody should push this idea. Quality art education should be available in affordable level!!!! If you are worried about mass-producing whole bunch of potential crackhead, don't worry. We can make the program extremely rigorous that only Boogey-clones can barely pass the freshman year. Probably drop-outs will be comparable with St. Spooge.

Do I profess this because of the beef with Art Center? Yes, I won't hide it. But I think this idea deserves some consideration. Rigorous art education is way too much privatized. I think there should be some political influence to change the overall direction of college art education.

We need a 'NAVY SEAL or Spetznaz' level art education on public universities than current 'Village Militia' level art education!!!!

[Jezebel]

Art isn't considered important to most people. My school gets almost zero funding for the art department because its such low priority.

[Lemur-X]

I agree with Jezebel.

Art is underfunded, and neglected at most colleges, my own included.

However, it's the artists that do the brunt of the work, and make the school itself presentable.

How about that....

[shinji69]

Probably it really depends on the 'regional demands...'.

Both NY and CA have an extreme high concentration of art-related business; animation, special effects, make-up&creature workshop, art directors for mags and books and so on... So it won't be a bad idea for public universities to have 'competivie' art programs with dedicated art institutes.

So, having a quaility art programs in state universities will be rather unique to those 2 states. I don't know about those ones around Chicago... But as far as I know soveral state universities in NY and CA have 'good' art programs.

But for the other states...I am not sure.

[Jabberwocky]

I got both an art and a academic scholarship for college. They weren't even the 1/20 of what stupid jocks who run around casing pig skin and with one injury will be put out of comission got. No offence to any jocks! Oh no sports get full ride and heck they might throw in a car, and maybe a place to live.

Our schools' art department got the bad end of the sick as well. It really sucks trying to make clay pieces with equipment that has been at the school since it was opened. My school was the newest in the district. It's about 20 some years old. It took us about a semester to get another tank of gas for the flame torch for jewelry sodering. We didn't even have a computer art class. I had to take classes at the local tech school to get those.

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If I get kicked out from the military thanks to the reports by Jezebel and Socar

You brought that on yourself so don't blame them for you getting in trouble for that.

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Why in the devil won't public universities offer competive art programs?

There's a state college in my state (one I was planning on going to) that is one of the top Computer Graphic Programs in this area of the USA. It's small enought school to be the size of a private school, but the downfall is it's out in BF nowhere. You migth be able to find one like that. You're just going to have to look and it's not going to be one of those BIG name colleges.

[vantid]

Exactly. Lets go spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on that damn football team that LOSES every damn year and leave the art departnment out to dry. oh, they can just use crayolas...they can make do. what? out of paper? here you go...heres some construction paper. go make some nice shapes now.

ugh.

why is art so underfunded? my high school did best in the arts...not just visual, but the performing and musical arts as well. now that im in college...ye gods! does anyone ever mention anything besides sports? and i go to a community college for cripes sake. im not taking any art calsses right now...never will actually (im gonna be a vet) so i do not know how well funded this school is as far as the art department goes. but i never hear anything about it.

i dunno. random musing i s'pose.

[Awetopsy]

spooge has been promoted to saint now? think of that....

[Mergatroid]

Alot of it has to do with tenured professorship and who those professor's are. They were in their twenties in the 60's and 70's influenced mostly by artist's like Pollock and raushenberg. Now they are tenured Prof's who are out of touch with current commercial demands, not that they were ever in tune. I'm sure that alot of the people in the administration in those departments want to revise things but it takes along time and by then, we will all be on to other things.

The public college system is fine but you may have to supplement it with some other places like the Associates in Art and Art Center at Night. This is a way that you can tailer your education to your specific demands.

K.

[shinji69]

All right, then CSU Long Beacu and AIA. If I ever step into Art Center building I'll be pincushioned by volleys of 50 caliber rounds.

Or even worse, a squad full of miniguns.

[Jabberwocky]

vantid you got crayolas and construction paper? All we got was a piece of coal and the back side of the paper the office printed our lunch menus on... *I am exaggerating.... a little*

Our football team is good, but I still don't get it. One of the players didn't graduate with us cause he cheated and flunked a final and he was a "D" student, but since he graduated going to summer school he gets to keep his full ride. Then I have a friend who was an "A" student involved in FCAA, Class President, Stu-Co (4 years), marching and Jazz band, all Advance Placement classes, cross country and track (4 years), and did really well on both ACT and SAT tests. And it took all that to get enough scholarships to pay for her way to college.

Does anyone else see something wrong here?