[Matthew]

Hello
I just love Matrix and just wanted to share one of the links where they are showing a teaser trailer from the new episodes, Matrix 2.
Click the link to go to the Online trailer.

http://www.matrixfans.net/news.php/6002




Matthew

[Max]

I CAN NOT WAIT ANYMORE!!!!

[Drunken Monkey]

I don't like you. But thank you. GOD DAMNIT THIS IS SO COOL!!!
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[strata]

hah! check THIS out! Long ass article with interviews and the whole shebang!
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[haohmaru]

:/
this will definately lead nowhere, but: matrix was crap, matrix 2 will be crap and matrix 3 will be crap too.
ripped off and simplified(=dumb) story, bad acting(i wish keanu reeves would have never approached hollywood), not-so-bad effects.
god i hate that movie!
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[faustgfx]

i like matrix now. and i'm waiting for the new ones with great great intrigue. the bad acting at least didn't show to my eye, show me a movie that doesn't have a ripped off and simplified story too..

all that $100-million-into-effects budget talk and stuff is pretty scary. :\
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[haohmaru]

[faustgfx]

so where did they rip the story from, then?

OH NO THEY RIPPED KUNG FU! THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE BRITISH PUB FIGHTING STYLE INSTEAD - WAIT NO THAT*D BEEN RIPPING TOO :(
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[haohmaru]

various sources. i'm not talking about ridiculous things like the fighting style or crap. i mean the basic and underlying idea of various layers of reality(simplified to just two in matrix) and all that stuff.
stanislaw lem has written about that in his 'futurological congress' back in 1974(not too sure about the date though). in a far more elaborate, sarcastic and funny way than matrix has done. and yes, i am aware of the fact, that a movie can never be as good as a book.

i'm not picking on matrix just because i'm so indy and hate everything popular. i'm just pissed by the fact that almost every single hollywood science-fiction movie produced in the last twenty years was a cheap and dumb lem rip-off. ...which more or less makes my argument of other producers being honest and telling their sources completely useless. it's just plain wrong, the more i think about it...

and i'm not even starting to talk about the new solaris version of steven 'repetitive structure' soderbergh, which - i fear - will not be able to do the book justice, although produced by the allmighty james cameron *shrug*
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[faustgfx]

learn to ignore and deny the existence of the words and concepts of 'groundbreaking' 'innovative' 'revolutionary' and 'unique' and you're on a good way into learning to enjoy movies and books and computer games more and better..


i do believe that "nowadays" it's simply impossible to make unique and original movies.. i don't mean that in the sense that some movie like the matrix has unique and groundbreaking special effects or something. technically they may be as advanced as cool as they may ever be, but it's still just old and recycled ideas..

i can honestly say i haven't consciously seen or read anything unique in a long long time..

sorta makes me want to be 10 again and born those 10 years earlier, too..

hmmh.

cut the crap, blow up the mic, i'm done with this.

btw, having not read lem, i should probably consider myself "lucky" in the sense of being able to enjoy more "new things" and "'new' ideas" in movies and whatever..

i'm probably not making much sense. but that's ok, i don't mind. it's one of those sleep deprivation induced hazy states of consciousness full of pink floyd and bad coffee.
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[faustgfx]

oh, i did read solaris and tonight i think the old russian movie was better than the book. but i'm not quite sure. i should re-read it real bad.
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[haohmaru]

i absolutely loved tarkovskys version of solaris, although he left aside all the scientific aspects of the book and focussed more on the persons. not necessarily a bad thing though. from what i've heard, lem himself didn't like the movie at all because of that. hm.

//edit
i guess i am still able to enjoy a movie for what it is, and get the pure entertainment out of it, but this just works as long as the film is obviously aimed at entertaining alone. if you try to add philosophy, then do it properly. i don't like those half-assed mixes of simplified philosophy, faked storyline-depth and action, like matrix is.
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[faustgfx]

i never thought about anything even remotely related to philosophy or depth of story or whatever when i watched matrix. i was watching at the moving image and listening to the sounds on the screen.. being a rather straightforward and simply thinking guy that i am, i can enjoy an action movie for what it is without having to give a rat's ass about the things haohmaru is raving about here. and that's nice. i'd hate to get stuck up in a go-nowhere track of deep ponderings in the middle of a damn movie..

of course, the time i saw matrix in a movie theater, a good theater at that, it was sort of.. sabotaged by two idiots discussing what would happen if someone blew up a neutron bomb in the theater (which was, i dunno why, covered and mostly sealed with lead inside the walls) through the whole damn movie. it was distracting.
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[haohmaru]

i've always been thinking too much =/
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[faustgfx]

i know.
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[Gort]

Here's a bit of light:

Solaris, Rediscovered

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- Tom Carter

"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield

[haohmaru]

no.
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[faustgfx]

definitely yes.

but what the fuck. george goddamn clooney? :| for fucks sake even richard gere would have fit the role better...
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[Drunken Monkey]

All you "I don't like simplified philosophy" folks need to think about who that movie targeted and what the reasons were for its making. I bet it reached a hell of a lot more audience, made more money, and promoted more collective thought than 'true to the books' cult movies did.

I thought it was somewhat smart (although dumbified), really well designed and entertaining movie. Yeah it's hard to fit anything profound in 1.5 hours of action footage. Maybe it shouldn't have been action. But then who would have remembered it?! Not your typical barbecuing football watching beer belly.

Movies were never unique and original. Just people, filtering various books, facts and ideas they got somewhere to another time limited medium. How stupid it is to expect to have someone credit every imaginable source where a similar idea was explored.

By the way check the first couple of scenes of Neo�s apartment. Notice the name of the book he hides his illegal disks in. Then order it from Amazon. They did credit.
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[faustgfx]

what book is that :/
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[Giant Hamster]

about movies in Inglesh:

It doesn't matter who did it first. Let's say you were the first person in the history of human life to ever raise their arm above their head. "Ooh and ahh" goes everyone. Someone else noticed your elbow was still bent. so they straightened their elbow and well, their hand went higher than yours, "wow, that's revolutionary." some say. "he's just a biter. he's copying that other guy. fuckin' rip-offs!" another says.

Even though it's the same god damned movie plot or whatever, just go for the one that's better(better suited for you)...and older does not mean better...nor does newer.

oh, and some plots are just shit no matter which way you slice it...such as the "Dork get's beat up, grows up, fights unbeatable odds, becomes a hero, and saves the world." that story is shit. ALWAYS.

edited a small thing.

[Drunken Monkey]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0472065211/qid=1043293431/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-4717126-8060608?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Heavy read. Mostly due to poor french translation.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[faustgfx]

"Baudrillard, a false prophet of mobius confers his subaltern eschatology in reference to the social production of subjectivities. His rigid valorization of metonmymic continuity can only be viewed as transgressive (p. 99) One could omit the penury of intellectual rectitude and bask in his aureole of metadiscourse. If you understand what I have written up to this point, you will enjoy this book. I recommend it as a handbook of pseudo-intellectualism."

"that's some heavy shit man.."

i'm tired, i can't concentrate, i'm feeling dizzy and nauseous. i read quickly through that and only picked up 'rectitude' as 'rectum' and giggled out loud a bit.

i love being simple. find amusement from the most unlikely places without having to even know what's going on!
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[haohmaru]

[Drunken Monkey]

haohmaru, maybe. I still think it was a bold analogy about society. Sort of a slap to the face of the system. Questioning whose benefit its there for. Maybe I am wrong. But I think even though its not admitted openly - people who've seen the movie did have those thoughts in one way or another. Again... no one would have remembered it if it was more intelligent. People had hard time swallowing it as it was. You are not the target audience, so just appreciate it as it is. What you wanted to see couldn't be done effectively and on the same scale in a movie.

Same reason Blade Runner bombed when it was first released.


Faust: blame the French. The book is very thought provoking.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

[faustgfx]

yeah, especially when you have to read it side by side with a dictionary :P
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"hey, wanna dance?"
"do i look like kevin costner to you?
"..no you don't"
"i don't dance with wolves either."

[Ragnarok]

About Solaris...
I saw the trailer the other day and it sucks. It sucks bad.
They've turned the book into a love story. The guys at the station (where suddenly there's a new black female member) are going to escape and Clooney decides wether he lefts his pseudo girl in or not.
Blargh.
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[Giant Hamster]

"there's a big difference between ripping off and further developing someone elses idea. your example describes the developing-thing. matrix did not further develop any ideas, it just cut them down, wrapped them in a fancy and flashy paper and sold them as new."

haohmaru: So, the new graphical technology Developed for the matrix, giving it nicer graphics than the old stories, is not an furthering the old movies in any way what so ever?

So If I make a song, and the song is great, but I originally made it before I had the stuff I had now, and once I get that technology I wanna make it sound better - the song isnt actually a better song than it was cause it's the same notes, it's just higher quality "graphically" - I'd be making absolutely no progress or anything good at all in your terms. I'd be wasting my time, it'd be pointless, and have no purpouse...even though it would sound much better from a quality standpoint.

[Giant Hamster]

from seeing the trailer for solaris it looks like the same plot from the sphere.

"the ship feeds of your fears and manifests your greatest fears!"

[milk]

hamster: both the sphere and solaris are based on the same book, really. solaris just butchers lem more openly
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humans are so spooky... i mean, they don't even bounce. what's up with that?