[Ragnarok]

Nubizus, you should try to avoid those anger bursts you get.

About the topic, I have the feeling one of the purposes of the Iraq war debacle is to keep people from thinking about the internal problems the US have.

Also, the US government gave freedom to certain people abroad to kill without asking permission... that remembers some kind of terrorism, doesn't it?
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Tom..yeah
Unfortunately when you are not an american all you can do is watch in horror.

Nubizus..Don't worry..you are in the EU now. Soon you will be as wealthy as the rest of us. You will be able to buy a new A2 intuos every month in every color you like bla bla bla

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[ReAktor]

Well, american problems are always global ones. Pfft. I am tired of this...

But if the us government thinks that beating up someone who is already unconcious is the new fun sport its their thing to do so... Just leave us others out of this, please...

I just sometimes wonder why in the most peaceful and god loving country of the world the weapons industry is the most wealthy and mighty industry...

On the other hand I see an us government that tries to hold back information they didn't even pay for (read more here) as they do with the UN inspection documents that are only partially open to the public.

So, if they find weapons of mass destruction then the US will attack Iraq. Hmm, lets see... The US already HAVE weapons of mass destruction. Hmm... How about sending the UN inspectors there (and to that little concentration camp the US military runs on Cuba). And if we are at it, why not send some election monitors there too to prevent election manipulation the next time. And how about the international court in Den Haag? Shouldn't US souldiers just be as responsible for their actions as everyone else? (read more here)

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against american people. That would be stubborn and idiotic... I just don't like the US government and their actions and I still hope that they were elected by accident.
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ReAktor - I agree with you on most parts save one:

[ReAktor]

Good argument. What I meant was that there are other, more 'human' ways to deal with the Iraq. If the US would declare war on Iraq they would lower themself to the same level. You cannot argue with fists.

There is no question that Saddam Hussein is a dangerous person. But that is not true with all people in Iraq. A war will have a major impact on those people, building more and more hate. I personally don't think that this would be the right way, because if people run out of options (like Saddam Hussein will soon enough) they try stupid things. And this is what gives me the creeps... Last time he had no resources left after his war against Kuwait. This time he had almost 13 years to prepare himself.

Building a opposition to Saddam in Iraq could be an option. This would require help from the UN (and would be of course less expensive than a war). It worked in several south african countries, why shouldn't it work here? But perhaps I am just a little bit too idealistic.
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[elam]

Reaktor, did you actually read any of those links you posted?
The Camp X-ray article is an unsubstantiated, rambling, diatribe.
Says nothing substantial about the conditions at the camp, because he didn't even go there. What garbage.
You shouldn't be so flippant with words. Auschwitz was a concentration camp. You know, where they turn people into soap, perform experiments on them, and line them up for execution.

I don't know much about the International court, but I do know that Bill Clinton didn't sign it, because he had reservations about politics being a factor in the prosecutions of "war criminals". Remember when Israel attacked the Jenin refugee camp last summer? Palestinians were claiming over 500 innocent civilians killed and demanded war crimes charges. Turns out around 50 were killed, almost all fighters. Politics.

I think Europeans wouldn't be so blaise if they had a military that was as pro-active in U.N affairs as the U.S. I seem to recall Europe standing by helplessly as Bosnia-Hertzogovina and Serbia tore themselves apart.

And I think you are too idealistic. If you can't see why Saddam Hussein, who has been in power over 20 years, ruthlessly killed his own people, started numerous wars in which millions have died, and, in the age of nuclear and bio/chemical weapons which can be exported to people like Osama bin Laden or the hives of Islamist which pervade the Middle East, has to go, then whatever I say can't convince you.

He should of been gone back in 1991. But the U.N. mandate didn't allow for it.

Whatever consequences a war will bring, they would pale in comparison to a nuclear armed middle east which proliferates it's weapons to the rest of the world. And trust me, if a fanatic sets of a nuclear bomb in the middle of Berlin, you'll think the same way.

[Impaler]

Personally, I'm looking for a nice glass parking lot somewhere around that region.
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[ReAktor]

And do you know what really really gives me the creeps? Seeing a phpBB-Error after writing more than an hour on that text... God bless the browser cache...
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it's not the subject.. it's these threads that scare me.
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[nubizus]

G.F.Y.S.W.N.M. dot know what is this just ask me:)))))
so i m sorry about my post but when you living in smal country all propaganda and manipulation metods are easy to anderstend .
exaple/;in my country if you are the person with superextra skills who try to grow in professiion your future is clear you are the slave of those who are elested.END it is a fucking tru.AND WHO they are ?EX FERMERS.EX criminals.EX SECRET SERVICES.THEY and them children using all .THEY alweys be da MASTERS.NO matther EU.JUST ANOTHER SISTEM TO TAKE MONY AND SELL lyes to people.THIS IS TRU FOR FUCKEN BULGARIA.
//i am bored of thread and will keep it silence:)))
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[Periadam]

The unfortunate thing about living in such tense times as these is that nobody can be entirely sure that any information they get about *anything* is correct. The media can simply not be trusted to give an unadultered account of this situation with Iraq. We've all seen how propagandistic CNN, and every other american network for the matter, has gotten.

It's to a point now where I've decided to form as little of an opinion as possible about whether the US should or should not war with Iraq(again). If I listened to CNN, it's certain that I'd be chomping at the bit to see the bombs fly, but I'd like to think I'm not so blind as that. If I had nothing but factual information, I might be pro-war, but Bush's assertation that he's going into Iraq to "save the people" is nothing but a load of shit, as we all know.

It's depressing to know that you really can't trust anything you see anywhere, whether it's from your own government or anyone else's. I'd be far more likely to trust something from, say, any country in Europe than I would something on American news, just with the amount that that country has invested in it.

At the moment, I'm more inclined to be anti-war, just for the reason that one should never step lightly into this sort of conflict. Another depressing thing is that Bush is certain to be re-elected in 2004, with the amount of fearful followers that were created for him after the twin towers/pentagon fiasco... we all know he's an idiot.

I think the whole thing is too complex for one person to form much of an opinion about it. All the propaganda and outright lies that exist about it just make it even more complex, and even more impossible. Best just to wait it out.
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[Ragnarok]

What really amazes me and I find terrible is the modern concept of preventive war, introduced in a global scale by the USA.
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