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Sevadox junior member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 6:50 pm |
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Im doin a research project for my english class and i need to gather tons of peoples opinions.
So what does the word: faith, mean to you?
input greatly appreciated ^_^...
(no im not a newbie to this forum, i used to be known as sP, but then i fergot the pass to my email account and then the forum mutated @@) |
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[Shizo] member
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paranoid? member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:20 pm |
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Expectations and hope...its an universal concept really.
The uprising of your mind toward and idea, an event or simply a wish. Faith doesn't mean satisfaction at all. Faith can also backfire, I mean if your expectations or wishes are set high or whatnot deception can occur if satisfaction is not attained, resulting in a break of your moral.
Like I said its universal, it really varies and depends on personalities
Idealistic people have strong faith in themselves and their idea.
believers have strong faith in what they believe or disbelieve also....then again this is redondent since everyone has to believe in something, i guess this just shows everyone has faith what so ever.
When I say personalities I don't mean psycho-pathologic cases (like narcissist, anti-social, etc.) because their perseption and opinions are often twisted in an individualistic way.
guess thats all I have to say for now n_n _________________ I touch myself only where it counts |
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Giant Hamster member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:41 pm |
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believe in what you're doing. do it with confidence, persistance, and download my music.
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lalPOOO member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:42 pm |
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beliving in somthing. Or someone. |
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soogarrush member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 8:02 pm |
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GOTTA HAVE FAAAITH!!
to me it just means having confidence in something/someone/youself... maybe persistance...but definitely, downloading Giant Hamster's music = faith! |
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Atherium member
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:15 pm |
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Faith for me has to be the ability to keep a consistant level of positive belief no matter what occurs in your life.
Faith = Believing |
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Jezebel member
Member # Joined: 02 Nov 2000 Posts: 1940 Location: Mesquite, TX, US
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 12:09 am |
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*shrug* I have little to no faith in anything so I couldn't really tell you.
(thats not some angsty teen response either, I'm a big girl and I'm being honest - no faith over in this direction. No sireee bob.) _________________ My Art.
My Photography. |
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Giant Hamster member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:05 am |
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not even in yourself that you can get along on your own because you're a big girl? |
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paranoid? member
Member # Joined: 16 Nov 2001 Posts: 275 Location: Qu�bec, Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:52 pm |
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Tsk tsk tsk tis a paradox in itself Jezebel.
saying you have no faith what so ever yourself is biased...seek deep within, everyone has faith in something.
reading what you wrote I can tell you one thing, Faith has nothing to do with "dependance"
"If god could do anything, could he create a rock he couldn't lift?" _________________ I touch myself only where it counts |
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Elessar junior member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:58 pm |
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"faith is not to hav ea perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true" - Alma 74 B.C.
"faith is things which are hoped for and not seen" - Ether |
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Drunken Monkey member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:19 pm |
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To me faith is not expectations or strong convictions or believing blindly into something or hoping for something. To me all that is wishful thinking. Delusion.
Faith is that other sense, intuitive feeling of knowing something with you bones rather than your head. That same feeling you rarely get while you think of someone you haven�t spoken to in years and an hour later they call you or you meet them randomly on the street.
Or when you get a hint that something you are doing is exactly the right thing to do, you don't know why, but you got a feeling that it is. And later it proves to be right, and you are pleasantly surprised, although deep down you knew it was going to be right.
Basically faith to me is being able to sense truth without knowing it.
Weird enough for ya? ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
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Awetopsy member
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:38 pm |
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Its like when a mom say to a kid, "Ill give you a cookie in 5 minutes" the kid stands there with his hand open waiting for his cookie. He's got the hope for the promise his mom made, althought he hasnt seen it yet. |
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smalls member
Member # Joined: 20 Jan 2001 Posts: 108 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:54 pm |
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I agree with elessar. Faith is hoping for things that are not seen.
Have you ever seen "Land before Time?" THE FIRST ONE not the millionth ones after it. They are going to a spot no one has ever seen, but knows to be there.
Like Christ coming again, we dont know for sure, we have faith that he will return. (we is used to represent Christians)
Or that Christ will come for the first time (for Jews)
Anyway, I agree with some of what others have said(i.e. Dr. Monkey Awetopsy) _________________ when life gives you lemons.. add rasberries.
(thats from one of the Frutopia drinks.) |
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DrunkenMoNk member
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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:27 am |
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Faith is by definition not knowledge, or at least by Plato's definition since knowledge to him is "True Belief with an Account".
Faith is merely half of knowledge, an intrigal part but a part and not the whole. With faith you lack an account or reason behind your belief.
This to me is the difference between mere faith and assumptions or abstractions. While at your computer reading this you assume that outside your door there is a hallway. You don't make a leap of faith at this point, you make a logical assumption that because the hallway has always been there before, it should continue to be there afterwards. A leap of faith at this point would be to truely believe that all of a sudden the hallway which you knew was there upon entering the room, and always there prior has now suddenly been replaced by a void.
So when I think of faith I merely look at it as true belief without reason. |
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[666]Flat member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 1:34 pm |
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It has something to do with not giving up the hope to mount a girl one day, I think. _________________
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Jezebel member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 3:26 pm |
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For me, faith is one of two things...
A.) Belief in god - which I don't have.
B.) Some sort of optimism or hope of better things to come - which I also don't have. Just a small personal habit of mine.
I think of faith as something grand, not something that falls on a small scale. For instance, if I make cinnamon toast and it smells awesome I may think, "Man... this is going to be sooo good!" I do not consider that faith in cinnamon toast.
However if I think about my future and whether or not I'll make it as an artist or learn the foreign language I also wanted to, I would consider a positive outlook to be faith in myself. I do not have a positive outlook for myself or where I am going. It is something I'm trying to change, because I know its not a good way of life to be so negative. I can't really help it though. So my response still stands... no faith here. Sorry.
(and this is a thread about how we see faith as individuals... maybe someone of you think I have it by your definition, but I'm talking about by <i>my</i> definition.) _________________ My Art.
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Drunken Monkey member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 3:50 pm |
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I would consider a positive outlook to be faith in myself. I do not have a positive outlook for myself or where I am going. |
Sounds like someones depressed. Been there too. |
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Sevadox junior member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 9:15 pm |
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faith is merely something conceived by man. such as emotion, religion, science etc. we are told it exists and are expected to believe it. when in reality, faith is just anticipation. whether it be to anticipate the ascending to heaven or anticipating the next time oneself will have sex.
theres my view of faith @,@
thnx to everyone who contributed, youve been a great help! |
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[Shizo] member
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 9:43 pm |
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Me being the biggest help, i'm sure.
You're welcome. |
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Giant Hamster member
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 12:08 am |
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*Commits Maebaru* |
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smalls member
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 3:07 pm |
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if faith is something we are told to believe in, then dont you have to have faith that faith exists to believe in it if you are just told to believe in it without any reasons/answers? thats rather paradoxical. Its nothing that man made. Its something we gave a name to, maybe. But not something we created. The power of faith is not something man created or "backs" through his own power.
Anticipation is not the same as faith. Anticipation is the "waiting" for something that you know is going to happen, whether you dread that thing happening or you are excieted about it. Faith is hoping that, that "something" WILL actually happen. You cant anticipate that there is a God or Gods. You have faith that there is something out there, more than yourself. _________________ when life gives you lemons.. add rasberries.
(thats from one of the Frutopia drinks.) |
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DrunkenMoNk member
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 10:00 am |
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Faith isn't something to believe in, it is the process of believing in something without reason.
I think to say man created faith is to say that it didn't exist before man. |
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[666]Flat member
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:24 pm |
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DrunkenMoNk wrote: |
Faith isn't something to believe in, it is the process of believing in something without reason.
I think to say man created faith is to say that it didn't exist before man. |
I once heard a weird story about trees in the woods making no sound when they're falling in case nobody's there to hear it. And another similar story was about a guy who had a hang on mother nature and stuff, ye know, and got morally kinda fucked up - well not literally I mean I ain't talking about no homo p0rn - when some bad motherfucking philosophers told him to chop down a tree or they'd burn down the whole damn forest. If you take those both and merge 'em into one "super sage wisdom" it would basically mean: if you're in the woods and you don't hear no tree falling chances are your ass is gonna be toasted if you don't get the fuck outta there.
Where are my panties? _________________
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Max member
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:53 pm |
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Faith isn't something to believe in, it is the process of believing in something without reason. |
"Without reason" - I don't think so. Many people HAVE a reason.
For example: I know a person who got depressed.
His whole life was a disaster - he thought.
Then, one day, he went to church. ( his last chance - he thought )
Up to now he have been visiting the church every week and believe in god and stuff what he never did before. He isn't depressed anymore, he lives his life lucky!
Alright, something different: About god. I think there isn't a special way to believe in something like god.
I don't see god as the guy who created life world human......I see him in a special way which I can't descibe, somthing which was created by the human to have a guide.
But: didn't some philosophers said human was born at the same time religion ( faith ) was born? |
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2002 2:06 pm |
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Max Kulich, your confusing my point with something else. I don't mean individuals having their own reasons for doing something, I mean plausible reasons for why what you believe in are true.
That's why faith isn't knowledge, it's merely a part. If you truely believed something and had evidence to prove that what you believe in is true it wouldn't be faith, it would be knowledge. |
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Max member
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 1:15 pm |
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DrunkenMoNk: Upps, I am sorry. Got your point of view now ![Smile](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:20 pm |
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Faith = fuck you. Die. _________________ . |
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:08 am |
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without faith I cannot live faith in something to come.
sounds trange huh?
-david _________________
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