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Storm Crow
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 Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:19 am |
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| Yes, you can open PS files in painter, and then save them back to a PS file if you want. |
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Lunatique
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:21 am |
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the wet on wet thing is true in Painter. You can adjust how much the current brush color blends with the colors already on the canvas when you apply each brush stroke. It's controlled by the "bleed" function. You can also adjust how much paint the brush carries with the "saturation" function. There's also the "feature" function which controls how dense the bristles are on your brush.
There are a bunch of other controls you can use, but I don't bother with them much. |
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eyewoo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 10:43 am |
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Later versions of Painter may handle PS files better, but up to version six, PS files are saved by Painter with no compression, so they end up being huge on your disk. In order to shrink them after saving from Painter, open them and save them with PS.
PS cannot open native Painter files.
In terms of switching between the two... the Painter and PS interfaces are quite a different experience with different learning curves. It's good to know them both... 
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Jin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:55 pm |
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| Tetra wrote: |
| Painter seems kinda cool, anyone know any good tutorials that i can take advantage of in the 30 day trial? |
Lots of them on my site. URL below my signature.
Also visit the Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions for specific questions:
http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
... or write to me at [email protected] |
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Jin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:06 pm |
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| faB wrote: |
| Tetra just do a search on google I think it's dstributed by Macromedia now so you can download the trial on their website, if you have never touched Painter and can find the classic version, I strongly advise you to get the classic, sure its got a ton less features but you can test all its brushes in a week as well as read the doc that comes with it and have a great intro to painter. Painter Classic is still a whole load of fun besides Photoshop. |
Painter was never owned by Macromedia.
First Fractal Design, then Metacreations, now Corel and handled by Corel's Procreate division.
The Painter 7 30 day trial can be downloaded at http://www.procreate.com
Painter Classic is fine if you happen to get it bundled with a Wacom tablet, but it doesn't begin to have the features and brush capabilities found in any full Painter version. It's only an appetizer and doesn't even have Layers or any way to make brush setting adjustments other than Opacity and Size.
To get an idea of what a full Painter version contains, download the Painter 7 demo and make full use of it during the 30 day trial period. |
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Jin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:29 pm |
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| Ragnarok wrote: |
I have the cd of Painter Classic that came with my wacom tablet. Haven't tried yet, but I might install it today.
But, what's the difference between Painter Classic and Painter 7?
Different brushes, differen engine, or simply new add ons? |
It's easier to list the few things Painter Classic has than try to list what any full Painter version has, even Painter 5 on which Painter Classic was based.
Painter Classic has a few brush libraries (collections of brush categories like Brushes, Pens, Pencils, Airbrushes, etc. each category containing several brush variants). Some of Painter Classic's brush variants are very nice and those of us who've been using Painter through several versions have imported Painter Classic brushes into the full Painter versions to use along with the many others we have.
Painter Classic also has the Clone painting feature that allows us to make an exact copy of an original image, a Clone, select and delete the Clone image, turn on the Tracing Paper icon and see a 50% opacity view of the original image. Then we can choose one of the Cloners category brush variants and begin painting on the blank Clone Canvas to create a new painting with a different look from the original image or photo. Several Cloners category variants can be use in the same painting to, for instance, blur the background and bring out sharper details in some areas of the painting. That's an over simplification but it gives you a general idea at least. Painter Classic's Clone painting feature is almost as complete as what's found in full Painter versions.
Painter Classic has a single Floater (early Painter version term for Layer) that is made by making a selection and clicking inside the selection with the Adjuster tool to lift the selection's contents to a Floater. Problem is, this leaves a hole in the image where the selection was made and though the Floater can be moved to another location above the Canvas, once another tool is chosen or any other action is taken, the Floater drops to the Canvas and remains there permanently. In other words, Painter Classic doesn't have Layers and the single Floater is nearly useless.
Painter Classic menus are very limited as well. For instance, the Select menu options don't begin to include the options found in full Painter versions. Consequently, what can be done in Painter Classic is very limited.
If you want to learn what Painter 7 contains (Layers, a huge array of brush controls, brush libraries/categories/variants.. and more), take a look at these sites...
http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/painter7/
http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/story.asp?newsFeature=30207
... and download the 30 day trial demo from the Procreate site:
http://www.procreate.com |
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Jin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:57 pm |
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| Eric Pommer wrote: |
| For those who use both Painter and PS, how easy is it to go back and forth between the two? Can you open a layered PS file in Painter and vice versa? I'm very tempted to get Painter, as I hear it can simulate wet on wet painting, which is what I do away from the keyboard. PS has nothing close. But I'm not sure I want to embark on a huge learning curve right now either. |
The Painter 7 Water Color brush engine is all new technology and older version Water Colors won't work the same in Painter 7. This includes Water Color brushes found in Painter Classic, in case you, or anyone reading this, have/has Painter Classic.
If you'd like to learn something about how Painter 7 Water Color brushes look.. and work.. feel free to download Painter Developer John Derry's "A Visual Guide to Corel Painter 7 Water Color " from my site at:
http://www.pixelalley.com/tutorials/jderry-guide-pdf-downloads.html
While you're there, be sure to read his note to me about the Painter 7 Water Color brushes.
If you're used to traditional watercolors, Painter 7 Water Colors may not be so difficult for you to learn as they are for people unused to traditional watercolor painting. They interact with Paper texture so you'll need to learn how to use not only the Brush Controls palette's Water section controls but also the Art Materials palette's Paper controls. Speaking of Water section controls, also download Karen Sperling's "A Painter 7 Watercolor Quick Reference Guide":
http://www.pixelalley.com/tutorials/sperlingref.pdf
In Painter 7, all Water Color painting is done on Water Color Layers, not on what Painter refers to as Default Layers, or regular Layers. Water Color Layers from Painter 7, naturally because they're Painter specific, won't carry over to Photoshop the same as they were in Painter 7. They'll just be regular Layers. The same goes for other special Layer types from Painter 7, such as Liquid Ink Layers and Dynamic Plugin Layers.
Used with the Impasto brush variants to paint thick brush strokes, the invisible Impasto Layer in Painter contains depth and lighting information and unless the image is prepared properly before saving, Impasto depth and lighting can be lost when the file is taken to Photoshop. In other words, the thick paint strokes will become flat paint. It can be done properly, though. You just need to know how and it's easier to explain if you have the program in front of you.
Composite Methods for Layers are similar but not quite the same as Photoshop's Blending Layers. A Gel Layer in Painter becomes a Darken Layer in Photoshop, for instance.
There are other differences, no doubt, but those are some of the main ones that come to mind. |
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pasakievich
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 3:58 pm |
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Speaking of Painter Classic brushes...
I had Painter classic, but gave it away after getting Painter 6 (and later 7). Somehow I managed to lose the brushes I had with it. If anyone can, would they tell me how I can get the classic brushes, I remember liking some of them.
Thanks much!
Peter
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