[balistic]

[Svanur]

Not Virtual Boy?
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[balistic]

Even Lucifer has his limits.

[zak]

LOL

anyway, ill bring the ps2!
oh yes and xenogears. maaan that game is too good. i cant wait for xenosaga to come out thou. it looks sooooo damn good. anyone read the reviews? back to xenogears. *30 minute rant*

hehe. i wanted to see how far off topic we could go. now we know

[[666]Flat]

Cheese Cake

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Ingredients
200g digestive biscuits, crushed
100g butter, melted
3 eggs, separate yolks and whites
1 cup of ground sugar
250g soft cheese
A few drops of vanilla essence
150g any jam, preferably lemon

Preparation
Mix the butter and biscuit crumbs together and press into a loose-bottomed cake tin. Put into the fridge for about one and a half hours.
Mix the egg yolks and sugar, then add half the chhese and whisk with a beater for 5-7 minutes. Add the essence.

Take out the cake tin from the fridge, spread the jam on the crushed biscuits, then pour the cheese mixture on top of the jam.

Set the oven on medium heat, place the tin on the middle rack and bake for 20 minutes. Decrease the heat (without opening the oven door) and keep it cooking for 40 minutes.

Check whether the cake is cooked by poking in the middle with a pointed object. If it feels too soft, keep it in the oven for a few more minutes.

Turn off the oven and allow the cake to cool down inside. When it reaches room temperature, put it in the fridge.

Before serving, decorate it according to your choice. If you like fresh or tinned fruit, absorb the excess juice or syrup with a kitchen tissue to avoid the cake becoming soggy.
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[Lunatique]

Actually, someone bring a X Box. The perfect game to play in hell would be Dead Or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball. It's pure, distilled sin.

[Nimr0d]

...and so we come full circle. I was going to make some snide remark about how off topic we got, until I realized that DOAX volleyball is proof positive of the artful, aesthetic beauty inherent in rendering the female form.
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[Coma]

I picked my nose today...

[Max]

[zak]

shenmue HOORAAAAAY!!!!!!

btw, flat. cheesecake is exactly what i need right now. nice one

[Raji]

well what can i say, this has turned into a weird thread. I've read the pages and well i don't want to start it all over again, i agreed with some, disagreed with others, etc etc etc etc etc blablablablabla

didn't have much to say once i muffled the comments i had in mind.

[dr . bang]

xbox is so big lol

[glody]

im going to move this to the toilet section of......err.........uh...*ahem*.....

[ken]

robert ashley = the best artist, ever. hahahaha.

-Ken
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[plastikman]

anything can be art whether or not its human figure (nude or clothed) or animals,still lifes etc...besides you have a problem with femal nudity in art...then does that mean that you would prefer men nudity in art more?

[Rat]

Most of what I have to say has already been said, but I'll restate it.

Porn and art are two totally different things. The female figure is a beautiful thing, and deserves to be used in art, but it disgusts me to see women degrade themselves to such a level as porn. If you classify the two together, it shows ignorance on your part. Nudity can be used tastefully. It is possible, y'know. Or are you going to call all of us mere humans perverts for seeing the difference? The Western World especially is way too conservative. EVERYONE in my socials class snickers when they see a woman from a tribe in Africa (or whatever other place) topless, as is the norm in that society. There's nothing wrong with nudity. It wholly depends on the way it's presented.

I'm not sure if I'm repeating myself or not yet, but I'd better quit while I'm ahead. I can't think at 1:30AM.
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afterglow

[LoTekK]

i really didn't want to get into this, but gigatron's comment about homosexuals being immoral because they don't procreate kinda pissed me off... in fact, i was recently involved in a huge discussion about homosexuals on another forum... first off, socar's right about the animal kingdom (oddly enough, there was a recent study of homosexual tendencies in lab rats)... anyways, here's something to think about, gigatron:

IF YOU JERK OFF OR USE ANY FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL YOU ARE AN IMMORAL BASTARD (by your own reasoning)

christ, i truly can't stand all these holier-than-thou jagoffs that only have the balls to act that way coz of the anonimity guaranteed by the internet...

[NeoFun]

ahh... ummm... ergh....
Here-- let me see if I can reconcile the two thoughts. We are supposed to have sex ALL THE TIME-- screw like beasts and so forth. Due to our fallen nature, sex has begun eating away at our minds and making us rapists and murderers. There is nothing wrong with sex or the nude in art. What is tarnished are the people of this world. The human form is beautiful, both male and female, and should be appreciated accordingly. Some people may look at paintings and have their lust excited, but the artist may have done it for purely non-sexual desires. If you believe in a God or not, one must believe in free will. Everyone has the right and power to show something as natural as the human body, and no one has the power to tell them they are producing only smut. That is making a judgement call above their authority.

ps I love you guys, but NEVER talk about religion unless you know what you are saying. You are giving believers and non-believers alike a bad name.
pps balistic, I like you more with every post.
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[DrunkenMoNk]

First, I'll simply ignore Gigatron's posts cause they spiraled off into absurdity. If you want to make your point(s) clearer I'd be willing to read them in a follow up post that portrays you less like a troll.

Now off to the original point of the female form being solely used to arouse. I must protest to this sort of view for the sheer fact that your using your own experience to blanket everyone elses.

When I look at a nude I do not immediately get aroused, nor think of it as something meant to entice. I am capable of making the distinction between works meant to arouse or entice and works meant for other purposes.

This is something that is up to the observer to understand. I'm sure the first thing a pre-teen will see in an image such as David is the fact that he is in the nude, on the other hand I do not expect someone who has past the point of puberty to think of the genitalia of the David as the entire purpose of the work.

So in a sense, what I'm trying to say is if everytime you see a female in the nude the first thing that comes to your mind is some sense of arousal, you may in fact have a problem that I'm not quite sure I know how to fix.

Now I will agree that the use of enticing imagery is being used in a large degree of media and other forms of entertainment, I do not though automatically then judge them as obscene, or without merit.

I do believe the fact that games like Grand Theft Auto 3 where players are allowed to deal with prostitutes and such is a telling commentary on our society, but what makes me think moreso than it's mere existance is the fact that features such as these are something that it's players deem of some sort of worth.

Why is it that children in our society are drawn to a game where you can take part in an activity like owning a strip club or dealing with prostitution? Especially since our society views such acts as amoral or illegal in regards to prostitution.

Questions like these obviously deal with our entire outlook on sexuality, which I believe is entirely ludicrous but that's for another thread. I will agree with one thing you've stated, and that's that images used to entice male observers into doing certain things shouldn't be needed. We shouldn't hate ourselves for normal urges to the extent that we do. If certain very normal actions werent so taboo in our society I do think the very thing you maybe arguing against would no longer be an issue.

[Edit] - Hope I got that out right... it's 4am and I'm tired... and I haven't posted to a forum in general, let alone this one in months if not a year .

[Bare Bonez]

hmmmm... from an objective point of view a naked human is just the same as any other animal. A photograph of a nake human is just the same as a photograph of any other animal also. The same could be said about a painting of a nake human.

Now a painting or photograph of human(s) fornicating is just the same as animal(s) fornicating. Given these facts, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with this and the idea of art and pornography disappear.

However, it lies in the fact that humans have developed this idea of right and wrong. An attempt at some kind of moral or ethical code to define how one should live. By dividing up the facts into catagories of right and wrong, humans have developed prejudice on what is taboo.

Pornography is just a subset of art. It does not lead to rape nor violence because in objective reality it is just some ink/paint on some kind of paper. It is the interpretation of the message within the art form that can lead to rape or violence.

Unfortunately, there are some humans that do misinterpret the message and rape. However, is the art to blame? No the art is just some medium on some kind of paper. Is the artist to blame?

If the artist is to blame, then fat children can also blame McDonald's for making them fat. The logic is there, however, it is somewhat distorted. Is the rapist to blame?

He could be, but he could also be just a human with faulty wiring and his function in life is to rape. Then in that case, is god to blame?

I cannot answer that question. The bottom line is that it's a fact of life. Some art can inspire greatness and some art can inspire evil. Regardless of what you do, what path you choose, both good and evil will develop. Pornography probably will exist as long as humanity exists, so live with it. Cultivate it if you wish, but understand that it is merely human imagination that has developed it.
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my webpage is fixed!

[PotatoHead]

sneeze...




hrm, hrm...[blowing his nose]



sniffle...







can i help you in any way?





what a retarded thread...was your gf raped or what? (referring to the guy that started this thread, cant remember his nick)



...oh, id like to contribute to the hell-party , i can bring the condoms ....or if thats unnecessary, i can provide you guys with some comfy pillows and matrasses - if you invite me that is.
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[gezstar]

[gigatron]

Wow! This thread still exists? You are the ignorant fools You just don't understand. Brainwashing in society kills individual thinking, I'd say. There was two people who saw my point of view..maybe. I am religious I guess that makes me an outcast *here comes the bashing again* Go right ahead no offense I am not angry at all, I am outraged at the lack of thinking... You THINK but there's no point in arguing Bash all you want.

It's society that's immoral and in turn the citizens. If society was moral the citizens would be moral and vice versa. One party must begin to give alternate views to the casual brainwashing. People often say that morals change... I used to say that people just don't have morals however.. now that I think of it, yes .. I must agree with both statements. It comes down to childish basics what's good and bad. When a child is thaught to distinguish between the two, they are fed with values, ethics, morals and such. They are influenced by other external parties as well, media, peers, religion, education, etc... Based on what i see yes the morals have changed... yet they are lost.

Constant change demolishes religion and tradition... the roots of our existence for millennia would mean nothing. People seem to say that morals change, I rather argue and say that people just don�t have true moral anymore that distinguishes between good and bad, today�s moral is more or less what suits the person� that�s not true moral. When religion doesn�t become important people become �too free� to do things. I like the certain changes that got rid of exploitable unjust rules; however� abolishing tradition entirely brings room for �too much� freedom.

Of course you'll bring up the say that prostitution is the oldest trade of them all. However, do we not learn from past mistakes?... Hmm and now you'll say I contradict myself?

Here's a thaught. Making cohabitation legal just like marriage is what's been questioned from time to time... it's becoming more and more the norm, its quite a trend... yet its status destroys the meaning of marriage, there will be no true dedication, responsibilities, rightful procreation, sexuality, etc� It can be all nice and sweet for a while, then one day you wake up and your partner is gone and you never hear from them� and that would be �NORMAL�, just how things done today would probably seem shocking to people fifty years ago, just leaving without a word� would be a normal thing in the future. I mean there�s been constant talk of legalizing prostitution where it would be a form of work where you even pay tax (its legal in Holland right?)� well it wouldn�t be that much different would it? It�s all one-step at a time. Changing something for the better is one thing, wanting change is a totally different matter.

That is the disease that has struck the majority of people especially in the last one hundred years. The growth of secular and non-religious acceptance, atheism and such is on a constant rise in North America. I find it hard to argue with so many people I am sure that a few people may say something like "look at christianity and the crusades, blabla, blabla..." Well, honestly has God told them to massacre, rape and steal for some joe king? I don't think so! It was the human want, and the decision that they'll just pick and chose what suits them rather then follow the entire belief. Those kings, they masked themselves as "Christians" yet all they did was chose what they WANTED to believe, not what they had to believe.

Which comes back to the original argument, a human is one of the most amazing mechanical, biological, chemical, astronomical, creature of wonders... Drawing the human body is a wonderful thing, but... what I will continue to object is the agressive obsessive and ill-manered obsession of USING the human body in today's media and other forms of portrayal. Drawing a nude is one thing, drawing a female nude with sperm super villains and captain orgasmo is another... o_O is life some sort of parody? I don't know some may find it funny, and I remember Flat doing something like that... How about something more extreme like a female being raped by tentacles? Its disgustingly disturbing. I don't want my children to grow in such surroundings. Society doesn't have true good vs bad morals any more. If you could draw that and knew it would earn you big bucks, yet also knew that it would encourage some psychopath to commit rape... well.. would you draw it? Many would, that's what's disturbing about the past hundred years and the future to come. Why the last one hundred years? Well simple, it has encountered the most change in nearly every possible domain of humanity and this unfortunate planet. Please stop in your tracks by saying something like "In the past, blabla" Don't you learn? Or do you wish to repeat the past? My favorite quote is "The future is repeating" and yes for the last time I intended to say it that way.

One last thing that came to mind. Do people draw animals that have sex? On a constant basis? Does it earn money? I don't know, beastiality is becoming quite popular in society isn't it? Maybe you should start drawing that. We are animals, but we can control ourselves. In fact I think 'the animals' in this world control themselves far better then we do. Just think of the planet. It's a simple example

Oh and forgive me but I don't drink alcohol, do drugs, masturbate, etc... You may find it hard to believe. Also don't give me stupendous replies such as "OK MR. PERFECT" or "you are full of it" and such. Just end this thread since I know that you will attack back with amuzing jokes I still can't believe you guys.. this thread STILL exists and you reply in it. We are all overprotective of our beliefs I suppose. However.. lets cut the crap and not anoy the sane population. Draw... And plz no tentacle monsters..
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[Bare Bonez]

hmmm.. Something popped into my head today about this topic.

Back to the idea that porn is just some kind of paint or ink on some kind of media (paper, canvas, etc...) it objectively looks like that. I'm reconsidering the thought that it is just the misinterpretation of the "art" that causes the rape and bad stuff and that porn shouldn't matter, but the people should get their perspectives fixed.

The problem I see now is that it is easy to tempt people into this misinterpretation. For example if I make a website devoted to hatred of some racial group, one could argue that it is just a website with information and that it's the misinterpretation of the website that could cause the killing of some racial group. Fortunately, this is not the case because as humans each of us is responsible for the smooth running of society. So laws are formed for the well being of each individual.

In this case, if pornography promotes rape or promotes other indecent acts in society, then society should be responsible to deal with it. It is unfortunate that not everyone has a clear mind to see pornography as some kind of "art", but it is a fact that pornography causes negative and positive effects in society.

Whether or not pornography should be condemned is up to those in power in society.

The arguement of whether pornography is good or bad is purely a personal decision.

I like chicken, hence chicken is good.
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my webpage is fixed!

[glody]

hmmmm i have no comment at this time......

[Blind Tree Frog]

[oasisnumber1]

I had typed a reply but this thread is now so rediculous that I deleted it.

All it boils down to is paranoia and guilt.

Bloke looks at nude paining. Bloke finds nude woman attractive. Bloke hopes no-one can tell he finds it attractive! Bloke is ashamed of himself. Bloke starts thread on forum condemning nudes in art to somehow make up for being so bad for looking at a nude woman.

Paranoia and guilt.

[gigatron]

Sorry buddy, but you can rot in hell for all i care Sorry i don't and never will do the last thing u sarcastically quoted. If you find that hard to believe well then you have much to see and learn about the world.

Argh I'm not gona argue no further, I could counter the craptacular insults you stated above. It's quite a nuissance i wish that this stupid thread would just go away But its anoying and tempting to always post This is my last post contribution anyways.
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[Blind Tree Frog]