[Blind Tree Frog]

[[666]Flat]

Gigatron and that freak who started this topic, you guys are indeed head banged wang mouthifiers. You know, ya may shove your idiotic pseudo-moral $hite altogether with a big pile of broken glass right up your sorry asses for all I care. Do you have kids, Gigatron? Do you? Maybe, sadly enough, one day you might. Imagine you have a kid, a teen girl... And now imagine what happens out there with no prostitutes and porn and all the other inventions of the devil himself. I wanna hear you say all that fucked up bull$hite the day you have to care about your teen daughter and what might happen to her on her way back from school.

BTW, word to Balistic and Blind Tree Frog.
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[Socar MYLES]

Prostitution happens when people with few or no other options do what they have to do to survive and/or support their families. You know, in some countries, medical bills for, say, an ailing family member, can add up to thousands a month. How else is a young lady with little education and few marketable skills supposed to come up with that kind of dosh?

Seriously, these high-handed morals make me annoyed, just because they make no sense when applied to the way life in this world really works.

I don't like to see porn that much either, but I just click on past it when it gets on my screen, same as I'd do with anything else that is getting boring. Is it really such a big deal?
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[balistic]

"Honestly ballistic I do NOT see you as moral :/ "

And yet you don't even know me. You've just revealed quite a lot about yourself without even realizing it.

And you do realize I was quoting Saint Augustine earlier?

[gigatron]

How dumb has the world become? Are you that foolish not to see what is the cause of the many things that you so call unjust? Turn to the way society works and you should understand. If the world was so perfect there wouldn't be any need for prostitution, why is that? Why is there prostitution? You have to consider, that the way you agree to 'new' ideas, is the way you are helping shape how society works. Ask why, not just what. Why does it happen? I think its ignorant just to say what to do when it happens. When you say what, you let that 'happening' of whichever cause go on, and you can never stop it but expand it. I will clearly state that society in the west is quite dillusional and ever accepting of immoral issues, take homosexuality for example, how is it RIGHT? A man and a man do not procreate. That is another example. All of a sudden everyone seems to be moving towards it and accepting then going "aaw poor gay couple lets support them". Ever heard of Sodoma and Gomora? If we look back at the past we can predict the future. What has been once done can be rediscovered and replayed. Accepting and promoting pornography, homosexuality, war, etc... for a 'good cause' is utmost bullshit since in its own doing it is not right. Like an example of "Man has a dying wife, and he can't work, he robs banks to pay for medication". Yes its justifable more or less, but if the world was more 'right' there wouldn't be any need for him to steal, nor would there be unemployment. I am very anoyed that you are just saying do what you want to get your way, and whether you state it directly or not that is what you are stating. Consider what you are saying, allow prostitution to happen, it becomes legal, it becomes legal for <12 year olds, raping becomes legal, its always a step at a time. So frankly you can stick to your 'morals'. Take drugs, OK pot, its legalized partially in Canada. What would be the next step? Crack? OF COURSE NOT, its what everyone says but thats not true, eventually it will be legalized as well. Just like boos smuggling them across the borders between US and Canada was illegal now you can buy it legally. Generation to generation the sense of 'moral' becomes what society puts upon the youth. Also flat you are an exellent role model to talk back, alot of your art is highly imature and disgusting. Quite frankly I wish you a safe trip to hell fag (the same way you act to other people). Learn to draw as well, your proportions are utmost shit. Ballistic, regarding 'knowing how its in someone's shoes' as morallity erm.. well, I see you are out of US, you should REALLY know about that wouldn't you? I am sick of watching CNN their biased polls, their biased/sensored pro-american/pro-israeli news, etc... I am sure they have a great influence on MORALITY... It is that 'great' society that also sells weapons to israel which kills innoscent children everyday (whether reported or not). I am so sure you are AWARE of the moral issues around the world. Honestly everyone attacked the guy who started this topic without bare thaught. The US is seriously turning into another Sodoma and Gomora.

Last but not least there are three quotes by Einstein that make me think:

"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; though I'm not sure about the universe."

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

I will not argue with such "Godesque" thinking ppl..

Also flat, don't ever talk about MY daughter? I will educate her differently then yours, if you want to allow yours to be a slut go right ahead. The apprent problem with today's world is not the earth, nor religions (which have been so twisted by humans for their needs), it is the humans, brilliantly stupid and amazingly naive. I asked my self once why is it that there is so much crime in the world, why such a bursting number of crimes.. I thaught that its the increase in population yet, it can't be? Canada is 31 million people now (approximately) not that much of an incrase in the last 50 years. Yet the crime rate has been rising. I hear about rapes, murders, bank robberies, you name it EVERY DAY. WOW that is alot of people in some sort of need? That is very very sad... what drives these people to go insane? In a social science course I was reading various views on sexuality and rape came up, it was identified as a form of misunderstanding of one's own sexuality. As in not portraying sexuality in a positive way. Err, well of course its not, its wrong yet... it felt like it was a way of saying ya.. its wrong but... but its OK feel pitty for these individuals they are victims too. OK so they are influenced in some way to do it but... will it some day be accepted too? I can keep ranting on and on... The point is you always start small, then become big, then extremities become apparent, then somehow accepted. Flat I am sure you will just love YOUR daughter as a whore... no offense buddy but that is the way the last few posters put it, just identify what to do dont consider why its happening... and YOUR why is because she may need money to survive? That is more like a respond to what. The real why should be why should she in the first place? This argument is obviously unspeakable with a bunch of individuals such as yourselves.. I mean western society thinks its so great yet the sad thing is... the amount of crime that goes on is so vast, it is not called terrorism of course... When it is someone else's crime then it is terrorism, funny how you say its all about knowing how its someone else's shoes .. Well your thinking to yourselves mine to myself.. I feel like the west has been reincarnated in some way by the book 1984. It is strange. Media must really influence you so much that you reall do lose your humanity... I would NOT allow prostitution in my country. NO! I would rather spend money to help those individuals get educated, the way you guys are saying it, is, we dont care as long as they get along, and hell maybe they can give me something in return, like say pay taxes since it is a legal form of work! I spit on that. End story I am not going to argue no more.. Close the thread its better that its closed

Edit: Also considering this was a topic about pornography in art hmm, flat.. you should definetely not be the one talking here, taking into consideration that your artwork is inacurate and disgusting when it comes to portraying human beauty, its in fact degrading (take your sperm heroine or whatever she was...), fucken hypocrite. You have become so accustomed to it, that you don't even realize it. I am sick of your posts with degrading artwork by you. You make too many damn posts (1000+) which are plain useless. Mr. 31337 C$ pl4y1ng f4g17. Are you like 14 years old? rad talk is just not cool anymore... ever since little 12 year olds started using it and portrayed it as 'cool hacker talk' hahaha.... HAHAHHAHA.... ya... hackers.. i bet these kids dont even know what a frickin NIC, a Packet, MAC address, ARP table, whatever, is even though they are able to use 'leet CS hacks' that well "HACK". Ever since I saw your first piece of art I wanted to like shut you the fuck up, you are really that degrading and sickening. You are part of Generation Fags.
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...And you are part of generation TOO MUCH DAMN TIME ON YOUR HANDS.

[Socar MYLES]

If you seriously read what people are saying as "do what you want to get your way", you should think again. Nobody WANTS to be a prostitute or rob a bank (not that the two are particularly comparable, considering that one is a sacrifice only of oneself and the other is a generally dangerous and often violent crime)--but people with their backs to the wall will do some desperate things. That doesn't make them "right", or make their actions beneficial, but it doesn't make them immoral either. Think of it this way--have you ever had to make a tough decision, or do something you didn't want to do in order to do the right thing by someone else? How about for your country? Your religion? Anything that mattered to you? Ever had to sacrifice some measure of dignity or self-respect in order to do what you knew was right? Would you want some random person to come and condemn you for that later, because it was "immoral" by their standards?

As for your remarks on homosexuality...well, you sound a bit silly. Homosexuality is perfectly natural, and has nothing to do with morality. 18% of seagulls nest with seagulls of the same sex. All female rats will boink other female rats if they are in heat. Most male rats will also participate in homosexual behaviours. It happens in the animal kingdom--how much more "natural" does it have to get?
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[YVerloc]

Well Gigatron, it's nice to see that the information superhighway has finally reached Buttville. I thought you guys didn't believe in electricity?
YV

[gigatron]

Funny you mention that.. Nikola Tesla a scientist from my country is more or less responsible for 99% of electrical devices in today's world, and had many ideas that are just becoming just apparent today... if Edison's DC electricity was the only form of electricity we'd have high db buzzing noise, constant fires, ALOT of lamps nothing else and alot of dead people. Anywho I will not argue any further It must be genetics? Generations past? Ah well. The sad thing is, your society will head in a downward spiral where crime and such will be soo widespread you won't even notice someone killing another person on the street and you'll justify it by OH well he just needed a pack of Cigacrack.
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[Socar MYLES]

Hey, "our society" is your society too, Gigatron. In any discussion of social values, one really ought to accept one's own share of the responsibility.

And if you can't see the difference between prostitution (an exchange of sex for money, much like a massage, only with genitals), and murder (snuffing out someone else's life), you're...eh...a trifle misguided.

Sorry, but I think your idea of morality and its effect on social structure is quite unrealistic. Prostitution is called "the oldest profession" for a reason. Violence has also always been with us--sometimes worse than it is now, sometimes better. I suppose every generation has its doomsayers and "We're all off to hell in a handbasket!" preachers, though. Oh, well.
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[gigatron]

You make me laugh In other words no point in trying to convey a message that humans will never learn from past mistakes. I just love the quote/statement "Future repeating"
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[Socar MYLES]

I think the phrase you're looking for is actually "History repeats itself".

Anyway, I've said my piece--you can take it, leave it, or laugh at it as you want. And, you know, on the subject of learning from past mistakes, you ought to practice what you preach. The fellow who started this thread launched it in a rather confrontational manner. If you were any better than any one of us in this thread, you'd have noticed that was a mistake, and made some effort to express yourself in a way people would've actually been inclined to listen to. As it is, I'm just glad I make you laugh, because that means I'm now laughing with you instead of at you.
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[gigatron]

Actually I indended the phrase "future repeating", and thanks I am glad you are comfortable of being a commedian
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[balistic]

[Socar MYLES]

Got to love it when people believe they've somehow earned the right to sit complacently in judgment on the rest of mankind--not just now, but throughout recorded history.

Let's have a little more low comedy in this thread!

Hey, the Bible says jerking off is immoral! Gigatron! Ever beat your meat? Whack yer weasel? Milk the ol' purple-headed lizard? Better stop it! Next thing you know, you'll find yourself magically in bed with a whore...and then OH JESUS GOD, YOU'LL KILL HER! AND THEN YOU'LL KILL YOURSELF! AND THEN YOUR SOUL WILL BE DAMNED! Damned, I say!

How about turning the other cheek? Will you be able to resist replying to my rude and blatant jibes at your good character?

Also, did you know that if your neighbour's bull pushes your servant, you should kill your neighbour? (Or something to that effect. Haven't got a Bible on me, not being a Christian, and all.) There's nothing like a bit of self-enforced justice, though, to get humanity back on the straight and narrow!

(Okay, this IS a goofoff post, just in case ANYONE is even SLIGHTLY unclear on that. Just thought I'd say so. In case, you know, someone actually thought there was something serious about it.)
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[gigatron]

LoL i suppose we should turn this into a sarcastic quote thread or just close it

"Facts are the enemy of truth." -Don Quixote

It is actually fun to argue pointlessly The three of you are sticking quite well together. Ballistic, socar and whatever the other guy. I don't mind this Hell seen alot of stupid flames around the net for years Also I used the bible as an example since its more common to the west. It is soo abused, changed and composed. I mean sheesh kind of obvious with "2nd edition, 3rd edition, children's edition" releases heh. If people tryed following it even a little bit things would be different. Heck most christians (well catholics mostly) that I asked about the bible they didn't know much about it (aka didn't read it). Also regarding your first statement if the world went crazy I wouldn't become crazy along side with it, I would become mad Can't really say that the world is anywhere near sane right now Sinceu we are so 'evovled' (lol), we should have learned from history and change, however it would seem the long held practice of stupidity will prevail. it is OK if you are atheist, it's frankly not my problem I am not rying to be that sarcastic
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[Socar MYLES]

I can't believe this guy actually made a serious reply to THAT!

Nah, I lied. I knew he would.
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[gigatron]

LOL So sue me, I can type fast its effortless. Of course we are all currently talking out of our ass. *snicker*
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[Nimr0d]

What I find more appalling, by a factor of a thousand even, than pornography, prostitution, and maybe even murder, is the horrendous degradation of the command of the written language in today's society. Look at that. It was a run-on. I can't even argue my point without academia getting in the way. And I can't even bring myself to read these preposterous arguments about society's downfall because of their awful, awful grammar, syntax, and spelling. I read a news story today about children in middle school turning in papers with chatroom slang all over them (lol, brb, etc. etc. ). In THAT lies the downfall of society. Pretty soon we'll all talk like that, and it will become too hard and time consuming as it has in the past and will be shortened and reduced further, until finally we have 1984 and we're just gibbering positives and negatives at each other...
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[tayete]

GIGATRON:

[[666]Flat]

OH, LOOK! RANDOM pR0N!!1
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[Svanur]

Nimr0D: Yup, language is going to hell along with all those prostitutes. We are experiencing a lot of language degradation here in Iceland. It worries officials and many language experts because our language is only spoken by 280.000 people and as it's very old they are afraid it might be destroyed by all this internet slang. You can even hear the youth actually say "lol" instead of laughing .

Back to the prostitution thingy. We have one country which has it legallized and includes the whole deal. Perhaps I shouldn't say the name but it's the Netherlands, Holland or whatever you want to call it. What they have succeeded in doing is to take all this bad shit and stuff it into one district. These problems aren't going to disappear any time soon(if ever) so what better to do than just sweep it under the carpet? Me and my friend could stroll around Amsterdam and Rotterdam as much as we wanted without fear as long as we stayed clear of that district(which we didn't and almost got ourselves robbed and killed there but that's another story).

No amount of education can truly prevent horrible things. I have known brothers who have received identical treatment from everyone but still they act differently(one was the bad seed, who saw the errors of his way and began studying art, and the other one was an egotistical know-it all moron). As long as we are individuals, with too many religions on our hands, there is no chance in hell that we will get any better soon.

edit: damn you flat now I have to go back to the bathroom... and it's too early...
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[daeldren]

just saying that this isnt an art form is like if a photographer came up to you and told you that your not an artist because you arent a photographer, this type of closedmindedness has to stop. Im not into pornography and I definately feel against all this ideal that sex is the most important thing in the world, but I do believe that the human figure is beautiful in itself. Im not saying Im going to go out and have some stranger strip for me, but if I want to draw a picture of my gf naked not because Im aroused but because I want to draw and portray her beauty in my art, I dont think that is wrong.

[Blind Tree Frog]

[Blind Tree Frog]

since it kinda applies (mainly because I love this scene in the movie)

[Nimr0d]

Gaaahhh, that was a dumb movie (Boondock Saints)... but that scene was kinda cool
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[[666]Flat]

Indeed, everybody should stand up, grab a shotgun and take care of some unfinished biz. Like shooting those guys who did that crappy Tarantino-wannabe-flick.
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[Blind Tree Frog]

hey i liked that movie. Dufoe's acting sucked, but i liked the movie.

[Joachim]

Hehe, I couldn't resist joining in

sagillid, there's a difference in showing girls because you want to sell products by turning men on and painting the female form because it's something that facinates you personally. Don't blame art because you are generally bored of watching girls and cannot see the estethic value in a female body. I think you should look other directions to find the answers YOU are looking for
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[Lunatique]

Who cares. We are all going to hell anyways.

I'm bringing the chips and the dip. Who's bringing the booze and the chicks, and who's bringing the X Box/Playstation 2/Gamecube?