[Irfan Yunia]

Just wanted to hear people’s opinions, about what’s the best way to defeat terrorism.

[faustgfx]

drop 19 nukes to middle-east.

towelhead-cleansing to the extreme.

[Irfan Yunia]

Thanks for you very useful reply faustgfx.

So according to your highly intelligent reply we should commit genocide on an entire race, due to the actions of a hand full of fanatics.

That will give us peace in our time!!!!

[faustgfx]

yes, and your highly intelligent self really believes that retaliating single towelhead terrorist individuals / groups / factions / whatever is going to be enough? there will always be another one and the way USA is dealing with it now, well, they could just as well accidentally scratch some unrelated unknown small time bush terrorist towelhead's tent while they're after bin laden and his men and this no-name bush terrorist goes "AMERIKA *BLAM* JIHAD!! YOU NO WALK OVER MY TENT PIG!" and commences his/their own war against the us/nato forces.. for example. chain of events and all that.

if you ask from me, anything that is even remotely related to muslim/islam needs to be overdosed on anthrax and assorted industrial issue cleaning chemicals and when they are cackling and gurgling to their death, 50,000 people should throw slices of pork at them.

[Ian]

I think we should attatch rawkets to afghanistan and blast it to mars.

[Freddio]

hmm, yea Ian, nice idea, but a bit costly..

[Irfan Yunia]

Once again faustgfx, thanks for that really insightful antidote to terrorism. I think you have been watching too many video nastiest. You should really get out a bit more.

[faustgfx]

fuck you too, cocktyrant.

wait. hmm. on a second thought.. how come you are so anti-towelheadextermination? do you perhaps hold excessive amounts of sympathy for those camelfuckers who call white, atheist and non-delusional human beings "infidel scum" 'cause they don't swear in the grand towel's name?

go hug the local towelhead and submit to muslim, bitch.

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[Gaxar]

I'm definitely with Ian on this.


-Gax
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[Duk3Nuk4n]

the thing with the nukes, kill them all. i think if you harm another person or atempts to they gave up there human rights. These ppl should not get a trialm, like those ppl who always complain wants.

[Irfan Yunia]

So according to the logic of most replies so far, Britian should have dropped at least half a dozen nukes on Ireland, because of IRA terrorism in the UK for the past 25 years.

Good logic.

[Steven Stahlberg]

Ok, nukes and rawkets, funny, I'm so glad you guys have kept your wonderful innocent childlike sense of humour in these serious times, what with innocent people dying, and more expected to die, and all...

For a serious answer to Irfan's serious question, I'd say we have to go to the root of the problem, which partly is the totalitarian regimes in the arab block, resulting in massive poverty and bad education, this in turn partly due to a fairly shortshighted US policy in the region.

Those regimes will have to change, become more democratic, and the horrific poverty must be alleviated somehow. Irfan mentioned 'justice' in other posts, and that too will help.

[faustgfx]

don't forget about the religion, steven.

way too many first hand experiences have shown me that i don't want to have anything to do with people who believe in allah. it scares the shit out of me to think how extreme they can go in their blind delusional denial bubble called religion.. and it doesn't really help anything at all that the qu'ran (sp?) can be preceived and understood in 3490384083094 different ways and they can justify it all with their religion.

i eat pork = gay homo loser from some third world development country.. to quote a certain individual from a religion.. eh, discussion.

irfan, yeah, britain has really shown a lot of action and measurements to get rid of the problem if it has taken them 25 years, all the power to britain for that. *cough*

[Irfan Yunia]

Wow, a sensible answer at last.

The thing that amazes me the most is how people are taking such joy at seeing the world’s richest country bomb the worlds poorest.

If anybody thinks that the innocent civilian population will be immune from air strikes they are gravely mistaken. We found out after the Gulf War that the "smart" bombs were not very smart at all.

So please don’t be taken in by military propaganda. They say the first causality of war is the truth.

[Freddio]

No one will gain anything out of this whole war on Terrorism...

Some people are so, STUPID in this world... they always seem to muck it up.

In my opinion there will be no solution, whateva the allied forces do, it will only fuel the fire of Islamic hatred..

Maby Genocide is the only solution,Sad really

[Jock McxSporran]

-Ed ) Lets not get to personal...

[ October 08, 2001: Message edited by: Freddio ]

[Freddio]

Irfan then what would you do then?
walk in with flowers, and make peace ?
I wouldnt think the allied forces would be going out of their way to kill civilians.. (not like the terrorist who killed 5000 US civilians)..

well food for thought, very interesting thread..

[ October 08, 2001: Message edited by: Freddio ]

[faustgfx]

Jock: loosen that towel on your head.. need to let some blood circulate around your brains and whatnot. but hey - your offer sounds good. it's a deal. thanks for the chuckle, too.

carry on.

ED- ) Ditto

[ October 08, 2001: Message edited by: Freddio ]

[Steven Stahlberg]

Jussi: yes of course, the religion; but in trying to stop these terrorists religion is the one thing we can't do anything about. Any such attempt would just make things worse.

Anyway, don't be too harsh on moslems, there are 2 billion of them and just a tiny precentage of a percentage of them are total fucking headcases... go to any town in the Bible belt and you'll find similar headcases, the same thing in Israel... sigh.

Allah is just their word for God. It's the exact same God that the Jews and Christians believe in.
When Mohammed first appeared, the region he appeared in had bloodfeuds, murder, sex, alcoholism and trikinosis up the wazoo and this is the origins of the many laws of Islam, laws designed to make an incredibly barbaric desert people live in peace and harmony.
And for many centuries it worked, worked brilliantly, and still in most cases works, but today many of these laws are outdated, and shouldn't be taken literally anymore. And many muslims recognize this, but when people like the Taliban gain power all reform goes out the window.

[faustgfx]

steven: yeah. mark my words, nothing good will never come out of organized(?) religion.

like i said, i base my opinions on them (in addition to my strong dislike for religion and religious zealots in general) in the shit i have gotten from them.

i have two net-friend-thingies who are muslim. i don't have a problem with them 'cause they know to not to try to convert me into their religion and they're okay bunch.. so i'm not wanting 100% cleansing here.

"and shouldn't be taken literally anymore"

that's the part that worries me.. blind faith together with the ability (that they exploit blatantly) to turn and twist the written words around, justify their atrocities with it, blahblahblah. religion.. *hiss spit*

but yeah. in case anyone else wants to flame the fuck out of me, do a new thread for it and focus all the hate to that thread, it'll be easier for me to keep track of them.

[Mezoic]

It would be extremely difficult to end terrorism permanently, well actually impossible. The world is too large, populated, and not watched over enough for it to end. It's not just muslim "towelheads" that perform acts of terrorism. Sure, they constitute a large majority but I think in the future you will see it through more race/relgion acts.

In the mean time, on prevention, would be what the world powers are doing right now. Target the known individuals, destroy them, and any goverment of official organization that harbors them. I mean if you look at the logistic of things, that is really the only way.

Muslim/Islam relgion is a very peacefull form of life, not in every aspect, but right now it's poked at and people such as Osama Bin Ladin are using it too brain wash people in too sacrificing their life for his own gain. If most people don't realize he wants to see the US crushed so that he can regain power to Saudi Arabia, where he is supposed to be prince.

[Irfan Yunia]

Freddio, No I would not walk in with flowers.

I was surprised that the action started though when it did, as there were reports from the Anti-Taliban forces asking the U.S NOT to bomb as the Taliban had started fighting amogst themselves. And bombing them would simply unite all the factions in the Taliban regime.

I for one would not shed any tears at the demise of the Taliban as I believe them to be a blot on Islam. And I don’t pay any attention to Bin Ladin's rhetoric. I do however pay attention to the huge pro-Taliban demonstration which have taken place around the Muslim world.

In all the reporting that has gone on in the past three weeks, it has become quite clear that the vast majority of these demonstrators do not approve in any way, shape or form on the WTC attacks. But they are really pissed off about the double standards being applied.

So I think that the bombing of Afghanistan will only be successful if after the terror training camps are destroyed, real attention is paid to US and European foreign policy in the Muslim world.

We can call them, cloth-heads, we can swear at their faith, we can even throw scraps of pork at them. But if we don’t pay serious attention to their plight, and their suffering, then there will be many more attacks.

I find it a bit disturbing that people are finding the easy way out. "Oh lets bomb the entire ME", "they are all fanatics". As Steven has pointed out there are extremists in all faiths. Remember Timothy McVeigh, his crime was no less repulsive than WTC. The only difference being that he killed fewer people. He was not born a "raghead".

Criminals will use any excuse to justify their acts. As I have said previously all faiths have their nutters.

At the end of the day, people all over the world want the same thing. They just want to get on with their lives in peace.

[aquamire]

One nations terrorists are anothers freedom fighters. Though I'm severely disgusted by the acts of the few who took 6000 lives in an hours time, they thought and did what they thought was just and right. Did they fly into those buildings thinking, "Man, we are such terrorists!" No, they did it for their beliefs. Every single person in this world is guilty of acting on their beliefs. No one thinks they're a 'bad' person. The truth is, you cant judge a person by their beliefs or religion, as you can justify anything with either. You can only judge on a persons actions.

Genocide is not the answer. We'd be committing the same crime as Hitler. Do you honestly think Hitler understood the Jewish faith when he decided to mass murder them? No, there was craploads of propaganda being spread around just to incriminate and place blame on a group people. Its the same with Muslims now. Because of the acts of the few, people are becomming prejudice and looking for some scapegoat to blame for their loss, just as was done to the Jews since, well, Rome practically.

Truth be told, very few people understand the Islamic and Muslim religions, and it is in our misunderstanding of them that we will make the most horrific of mistakes and generate prejudice. FaustGFX, go read the fucking Torah. You can learn about a religion without being 'brainwashed' into following it blindly.

I'm definately not a religous person, but I can understand that if you live in a pit of sand without anything, or really, anywheres else in the world, religion is a persons answer to a moral code they might be able to follow in a hard time.

[ October 08, 2001: Message edited by: aquamire ]

[Lemur-X]

Well, it's been stated from people that perform acts of terror for a living that the U.S. has it coming, and will never know peace.

The U.S. may as well not let the terrorists know peace.

[Jabberwocky]

Don't worry what ever we do or what ever we destroy we'll end up paying to have it rebuilt (ie germany, japan, etc.)

and then we will be called a self-centered, egotistical, money grubbing, uneducated country. (I'm proud to be an american!)

But yeah if we stop helping other countries they get mad as well.

Oh well we have a guy that looks like a money running our country anything is possible!

[Lemur-X]

Yeah. Political penis envy is a beeeeitch.

--Steve

[Irfan Yunia]

rustriva;, I'm homoured that someone is quoting me.

I agree with you that the removal of the Taliban even before 11.09 would have been an acceptable thing to do. But one thing we must be very careful of is telling other people what type of government they must have.

I dont think giving the Palestinians a fair deal, that which is rightfully theirs, the chance for them to live in paece and not under mllitary occupation, is paramount to appeasement.

I think it is the sensible thing to do. I dont think that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors in this conflict. At the end of the day, it was their land which was sacrificed to make the Jewish homeland.

[Mezoic]

It's so easy to simply say "killem all". I think if you come to that conclusion, you are too much of a lazy ass to take a small amount of you're time to keep up with current events. Well actually you don't even have to do that, just keep you're ear open, it's that easy.

That or you have chosen to be labeled as ignorant, especially when it comes to flaming people of Muslim faith.

[Mezoic]

The fact that we are allowing the northern alliance fight along side us is a scary issue. I think once the Taliban falls, they will replace it with their own goverment. I don't see the US remaining friend with them after that happens, this process could simply repeat itself. Like it did in the past with the Russian invasion.

[sacrelicious]

Most people are too ignorant, materialistic, and self-centered for a terrorism-free world to come into being. Too many people are ruled by the animal passions such as fear, anger, and the ugly desire for revenge. And poverty, hunger, and war will persist as long as one man values his own comfort and possessions over the health and well-being of other men. The history of this conflict is built on the backs of oppressed and murdered men and financed from the coffers of those willing to sacrifice their morality (not to mention the liberties of other human beings) for personal wealth.

An important fact that no one to my knowledge has mentioned is that all sides in this conflict have been both the oppressor and the oppressed! Such terrible cruelties have the Jewish people suffered, and yet they perpetrate the same kind of crimes on their fellow man only fifty years after the last concentration camp closed. Arab peoples have their own history of conquest and enslavement, and I think it's safe to say we're all familiar with Western and American civilization's track record in this regard. The trampled are always trying to become the tramplers, and as long as someone is being stepped on this will never change.