[DarkVVulf]

This is rather foolish.

Reminds me of the "My son played this game and hit his sister! So now no one can play it because I choose to ignore obvious reality and whine and bitch and sue!"
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[roundeye]

[SolarFlux]

my word sagillid! You must realize that if it wasn't for clothes we would all be naked, right....? Being naked, nakedness itself is man's (and woman's) most pure state...just because the "progress" civilization has made in the last couple hundred thousand years has happened to come ingrained with *gag* religion and therefore *gag* shame doesn't meen that the clothed world we live in is a correct one. So called "primitive cultures" (native americans, african tribes) never understood delusions like "the human body is naughty and should be covered up, and hey, if we make everyone believe this we can exploit it, sell it, and make a profit (pornography)." No, they had to wait for those silly missionaries for that....
...and in alot of these cultures the (naked) woman don't get raped! They are respected as mothers - givers and nurturers of life.

Maybe if sex wasn't treated as an inherently deviant thing in this culture, misguided youth like yourself wouldn't be protesting something as natural and beautiful as the human form.
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[SolarFlux]

[Lemur--X]

I hope nobody's response to this troll was serious.

--Steve

FWIW, there are many out there that don't see the human body as the beautiful machine, and soulful temple, that it is. This guy is obviously one of them....seeing as he equates the human form with lust.
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[johngloid]

Go check out an Egon Schiele book.

[tilokani]

[sagillid]

I truly like the maturity in these forums. Right up to the stereotypical pink font. I guess the views of society aren�t too far off than of the people here. Alright, listen up kiddies.

IF YOU DON�T LIKE SEX THAN YOU ARE GAY, OR YOU ARE A WEIRDO, AFRAID OF WOMEN/MEN. SEX IS GREATER THAN GOD. SEX IS GREATER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE. YOUR ONLY GOAL IN LIFE IS TO HAVE SEX WITH AS MANY WOMEN/MEN AS YOU CAN. YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR WORK/TIME/LIFE ALL AROUND SEX. REMEMBER SEX IS GREATER THAN ALL. YOU MUST PICK SEX OVER EVERYTHING.

If that holds even one percent true then don�t even bother to read the rest of this. This kind of blatant slender truly pisses me off. I can see some dumbass now quoting that and point out some insignificant thing in it.

Where did I say ban sex? Hell they can put up giant porn ads of people having sexual intercourse for all I care. Wait� that�s everywhere now. Have sex in public, get naked, go to work nude. Sex isn't the problem. I am aware men and women like to look attractive. Why do you think girls like to emulate Britney Spears. People think, and I use that term loosely, she�s beautiful and that�s why girls want to be like her. Beauty isn�t some divine selfless emotion. People see it, either tries to copy it or avoid it. Anyway, you guys are letting your raging hormones change the subject here. The thing in truth I would like to see more of is funds spent on architecture art and other focuses in art instead of people. What happened to grand cathedrals, revered monoliths, and soaring towers? We can spend billions on fashion, shouldn't other arts get the same kind of endorsement?

[sagillid]

[Nacrisa]

Previously it was:
"This whole sex craze has got to stop."

Now it's:
"Hell they can put up giant porn ads of people having sexual intercourse for all I care."

Forgive me for being confused (it's probably my hormones) but I'm having some trouble seeing your point, which seems to be changing. At first it was just that you had something against the female figure in art (though that would be a contradiction by your definition), now it's art focusing on people that you have a problem with.
Would you care to explain (preferably without drenching your reply in a vat of sarcasm)?

[Ra]

Since when you can't have a boner with art ?

[Ranuzan]

[Godwin]

[Svanur]

Nobody is saying that you are necessarily gay and most people are weird in one way or another. The point is that your attitude is a typical "Holier than thou" attitude. You think you are so god damn righteous that you actually know what is "The" answer to everything(in this case, porn). This attitude I personally hate and I hope you see it yourself so you can change it.

If you feel there is need for some great architechtural wonders, go be an architecht. Nobody is forcing you as an artist, that is if you are an artist, to go draw nude women or live by doing so. Even you can go fund those projects yourself. Although I won't be expecting some Sistine Chapel(too much nudity for you I guess) from you.

Just stop being so holy and stop judging us by that same attitude. You go and draw your pretty churches, monuments and let us draw those "Seedy" Conan pics with naked chicks and brutish thugs.

It is also more common for people that aren't used to sexual imagery or are inhibited by their religions(like in many muslim countries) to actually rape people. These are people that are so inhibited that they are a ticking time bomb, plus they are taught to look at women as nothing more than a farm animal.

And one final part of this reply: Do you have any idea how much, soaring towers, cathedrals and revered monoliths are going to cost? If you get people to spend money on those stuff we are going to see stuff like the Catholics did before Luther stood up and said "screw you". More people will live on the streets because money most go into some useless monoliths where as the money could have been used to build housing for the ever increasing population. Eventually the money would be rerouted incrementally into the pockes of some greedy bastards. I don't want to offend any catholics here but the catholic church has done a lot of disgusting things(like many other religions of course) and there doesn't go a day where I am grateful for not being a catholic.

Well my little rant is over for now. I hope you see the right thing and just stop this pointless argument and take whatever you learned from it, if that's possible.
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[AliasMoze]

Nothing proves that nudity of pornography causes sexual violence.

There's so much to say about human sexuality, but banning sex is the wrong way to go. If anything, our society is too conservative, grown from the misconception that humans are not animals.

But we ARE animals that are driven to eat, sleep, and have sex, and yet we're stuck in a world that restricts our ability to act on these impulses. Our play, including our art, is a release valve. It enables us to imagine without hurting ourselves. Thank goodness kids play at killing each other so that they act out the thought in play and not for real. Same thing with sex.

[[666]Flat]

[Herb]

Haha, Flat...
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[ceenda]

Alias: Hit the nail on the head.

One thing though, as much as we are animal, we are also intellectual. Not substantially more than our ancestors but quite intellectual nonetheless. My only concern is that we are perhaps led too much by our impulses and alot of trashy porn fuels a quick desire for satisfaction that cannot be fulfilled (thank goodness! we'd be pretty placid otherwise!).

Nudity in art has always been expression and appreciation. Rarely has it attempted to be a 'quick fix' for the pervy minded.

oh, and roundeye is right. most girls and guys are mingers. thank goodness for alcohol and 'lights off'...

[lowpoly]

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[balistic]

[dr . bang]

Light>?! is that you?!

[r4bid]

What humans find to be beautiful is largely influenced by built in evolutionary mechanisms that we are all born with.
Beauty is often defined for landscapes by a place that would be safe to hide from predators. In women it is those who we think would be good mates for one reason or another (thats why we tend to find anorexically thin women gross, they would probably die before giving birth...). It is nothing but human instinct to appreciate the female body, without that appreciation none of us would exist because no one would have had sex and none of us would have been born.

[gigatron]

Well I dunno Sagillid has an extreme point, i dont think the argument is stupid, its very stupid of ppl just not thinking and telling him off more or less.. I mean look at BMX XXX a prime example of this sort of thing... its very sad that games can't be made right and ppl turn to such extremities. Look at the crap that Flat makes, its garbage art and often sexual... not sure if ppl like it but.. its always one step at a time :/ Take Olympia when it was released critiques were disgusted by it, today honestly I see naked woman on advertisments near schools where 7 year olds walk by. I think sagillid wanted to bring up an extreme case, its the extreme cases that make people think and also the fact that everything starts by one little speckle idea and can turn into a chaotic widespread sort of happening... I mean sheeeesh, a buncha ministers in canada wanted to legalize prostitution (as a form of legal work lol..) or they already did.. think about it :/ If you agree to that well you are all quite immoral. On another note I do agree that drawing the human body is beauty but... cmon guys be a bit more thaughtful and more careful (think).
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[Cleoric]

Well, I gotta say, I agree with what I *think* he is trying to get accross. I just don't believe he's very good at getting it accross in an acceptable and clear message.

I'm tired of seeing sex everywhere as well. It's to the point that I don't have a choice. It's everywhere and it's really bloody annoying.

I think gigatron got the idea accross a bit better. Just listen to him
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[balistic]

"If you agree to that well you are all quite immoral."

Says whom?

I come from a place where prostitution is legal. It is regulated, taxed, and scrutinized. Legal prostitution keeps girls off the streets, and free of sexually-tranmitted diseases. Legal prostitution buys new school buses and textbooks.

Prostitution is going to happen. It has happened in every society that has ever existed. The question is whether you want it to be seedy, with girls risking their lives on the streets, or whether you want to keep it safe and clean, and provide the prostitutes with things like medical care and armed security.

Which sounds more moral to you?

I don't agree with much of what Augustine said, but I think he was pretty near the mark with this:

"Suppress prostitution, and capricious lusts will overthrow society."
-- Augustine

[eyewoo]

All extreme points grow out of some degree of truth... but the truth is totally blurred by the extreme POV of the point maker...

...so someone put this stupid thread to bed. The guy's an extremist with a very weak point to be made.
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[gigatron]

Well I do not wish to make this a religious argument since I know there are lot of atheists around and ballistic i can not possibly describe you as religious since every religion that I know of condems the act of prostitution so... (unless its some crazy sect with an individual with personal goals) what can I say, not much... I wonder what defines your morals then, or what you think are morals? Then I would come back to the arguable point that well.. it is society that shapes these sort of views (if you don't think religion CURRENTLY is the form of moral and you are atheist then consider this, long held tradition if you will was influenced by religions long back, it is solely humans who change it for their own needs), which I suppose is the soul of this argument, where society is heading and what we CHOSE to promote (not necessarily being right). I am getting mixed views now and don't wish this thread to turn to another flaming massacre. Guys/Gals what are your views of ballistics' (wacky -- i have to say) point? Honestly ballistic I do NOT see you as moral :/ I also wish to note that it is this same argument that has existed for ages (like my olympia example), what has to be argued is the fact that people tend to change long-held truths (if you will) for personal aims. If society was 'perfect' and fully moral there wouldn't be people on the street requiring to do these things. A bit off topic but take the crusades, those soldiers fought by the belief they were fighting for Jesus while in fact they were fighting for greedy "lords", kings and their needs.. ya.. Forget the fact they slaughtered masses for what they wanted to get. It was RIGHT for them though...
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[Svanur]

I agree with Eyewoo, somebody close this bloody thread.
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[gigatron]

Hmm that is purely ignorant, it is a valid argument, it only harms the mind that wishes to ignore it
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