[sagillid]

Alright, ANYTHING that has female figure in it is no longer art to me. Unless there is a purpose for the figure to be there not including giving the guys a boner. It'll no longer be art. This whole sex craze has got to stop. Maybe there will be less raping and abuse in the world if they would just stop making sex so seedy.

[Inspector Lee]

Excuse me,
but I happen to think that a well rendered image of a beautiful woman (nude or clothed) is art.
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[sagillid]

That's your dick talking. Erotic art equals soft porn. It's that simple.

[dARCKLOWN]

Total disagreement here.

Thats an extremely ignorant thing to say.
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[Inspector Lee]

Boy, What church laid it's guilt trip on you. Seeing the human form as something intrinsically beautiful has nothing to do with eroticism.
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[Godwin]

i watched an arts TV programme last week about victorian nudes, and about how they saw the works by artists, how the styles evolved and how they were treated

drawing a human body well takes alot of skill, and painting it needs even more, thus it IS an art form(heck i cant even draw a face properly), if u cant see beyond the 'porn' issue, and appreciate the effort put into creating a good piece of artwork, then u can jolly well get lost
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[sagillid]

Alright, let me give you an example. A guy finds a 15 year old girl off the streets and tell her he's an artist. Manages to persuade her in taking all her clothes off and have her pose in a provocative way. Paints a few reasonable pictures of her and puts it up on his personal website along with other paintings that he has done while charging $9.99 a month as an entry fee. Who do you think the main audience is? Why do you think they go there? Now before you answer let blood in your penis settle back in to your brain. Look at any other female portraits you've seen now and tell me it isn't the same.

[Godwin]

give me a real life example of who actually does that?

the guy is not an artist then

[ZippZopp]

this is quite possibly the dumbest topic ever, but for kicks let me add a quick point. i'd say a good majority of the art here and other boards consists of fantasy imagery. some dark, of demons, monsters....others of soldiers, warriors etc. should we stop making this art too because of the topic of violence in today's society, amongst teens and many other ages.

this is just one facet, my point being, you could probably have some sort of arguement for just about any form of art, any subject, any idea or theme.

[sagillid]

There's nothing original left in the female body. Every surface and crevice has been photographed, mapped, scanned, digitalize, pixelated, to a point where it no longer matters. Sex sells, and it is sleazy soft porn that�s letting it do so well. I hate to see an artist get recognised for his/her talent just because he/she can draw a pair of breast or genitals off a photograph, while other artists with actual knowledge of forms, shapes, colours and actual creative talent gets shelved off to Wal-Mart. No I don�t think you should feel guilty for having sex or looking at a female�s body or looking at porn for that matter. That�s the whole problem, justifying porn by calling it art to relieve personal guilt is nothing short of a fallacy. If people would stop deluding themselves then maybe we�ll see some productive progress in art.

[sagillid]

�Or we can put up more statues of naked women with penises in shopping malls.


Hurrah for collective insanity!

[Inspector Lee]

Now it's official: This is the dumbest topic ever!
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[Pat]

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[sagillid]

I think 10000 times is enough. Sex and violence is sinking art to a lower level. Love and hate are the two most impressionable things that we see. Using basic instinct to promote art is nothing short of selling out. The more we tolerate this the more it�s going to become the norm. It is bad enough they use it advertising, video games, movies, pretty much everything out there. Art is supposed to be about true expressionism of freedom, not just another media service for the above industries.

[sagillid]

Fluffy Bunny = Crap
Fluffy Bunny with its guts ripped out = Good

A few years ago in my sadistic self that might have been funny, but now I see it as anything but.

[tayete]

Well, here at Spain we are really used to see naked (or at least top-less) teenagers at our beaches, and nobody gets offended or thinks our kids will be perverts at the future.

We are also taught since we are very little kids, how beautiful Goya's "Maja desnuda" ("Naked Popular Woman") is. The same about Miguel Angel's "David".

Human body is just another component of Nature, that is really beautiful in its complexity at all the stages of our life. Even bellies and wrinkles are beautiful enough to be painted. And seeing pornography in "The Three Graces" from Rembrandt or "Eve and Adam" from Durero, shows it is you who is really insane. It is you who cannot distinguish between beauty and sex.

Frankly, I would recommend you coming here to Spain, seeing some of our girls at the beaches, and observing how nobody cares too much about their breasts. Every girl has them, Nature put them at their body, and they are beautiful to be painted; the same happens with the muscles of a man. That's it.
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[strata]

You realize you've just called a very good portion of history's "master painters" sleazy pornographers?

Perhaps it's your silly little own self that's wrong and not the rest of the world/history, yeah?

and yes, this IS the most retarded topic I've seen too =)
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[Godwin]

this guy needs to be banned, he doesnt belong here, look, he only registered to post this dumb crap, wanking prankster....
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[oscar]

...and I suppose all female artists were frickin' lesbians? Right?
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[Svanur]

I know after we have banned people from painting scantily clad women, and just women generally from our paintings we will then next ban muscular guys who look like Arnold wannabes and then we will ban everything science fictional as it hints at a gloomy and emotionless future. When we have banned people from painting anything and most artists just cover their canvas in one color we will ban people from painting with certain color until there is nothing left but an empty canvas. Then finally we will just make artists obsolete and just live on our crapper working day after day for some corporate managers and just accept that our lives suck because if we might do something that entertains us, provokes us, shocks us, enlightens us we are doing it cause of our seedy and disgusting nature. Let's be ants and just accept our mindless roles.

I find it funny how people like you want to ban the thing that is genetically coded into every human being. Sex is natural, if you don't think so then I won't have to be worried to see your kids on these boards talking about crazy stuff like this. I know my little rant here won't change your mind as most people that feel like they have had a revelation become mindless crusaders who think they are above everyone and everything.

I mean, if you want this world to become unnatural, fine, just don't include me in it.


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[J Bradford]

sagillid once you've actually seen a real nude female beyond the computer screen and your sister im sure you're views will change.

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[Al Ian]

I can see where the original poster is comming from. However it seems that hes just tossing fire more then beliving in what he has to say. You can tell the differance when the painting is intended to be art, or intended to be a stiffening agent for teenagers. Either way, if he dosent like it he dosent have to look.
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[Goon]

Whoah. You're a little extreme here Sigillid. Just because the female form is present in both porn and in art doesn't mean that they are the same thing. Porn is sexual imagery designed to arouse; it is seedy, crass, and devoid of any meaning beyond getting the viewer off. Art, while it may speak on topics such as this, when the female form is involved, is usually more of a glorification of that form. The female body is a beautiful thing, and while yes the topic has been covered an incredible amount of times, that does not mean that we should cease to paint it. If that logic applied then very few works of art are even elligable for continued existance. Nearly every topic has been repeated into oblivion, but because each work is that individual artist expressing his opinion on the subject, there is no reason to ever stop. I am a student, i take figure drawing courses, there are naked females present, even when the females are attractive i am not aroused. Why? Because it is not a sexual situation. There is a female, she is not wearing clothes. So what.
Yet it must be conceded that much of the art present at this and other forums either involves fantasy creatures or naked women. Why are there no naked men? Because the creators of such works are mostly male, i am guessing many are not so far past puberty, and find said works quite attractive. So yes i must agree that an artists primary goal should not be to produce only images of females, especially in provacative positions, each should seek to broaden their spectrum, but at the same time, placing such limitations is not only stupid and rather biased, it eliminates an entire spectrum of expression from art.

[Anthony]

Hehehehahaha
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