[eyewoo]

I've been thinking about taking on a few private students... and then this morning, out of the blue, an old business partner (many years ago) emailed me to ask if I'd be interested in teaching him at an hourly rate.

What would be that rate??? Anyone doing it?
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whoever condisers a private 1 on 1 art less must be RICH. So charge him high! This guy aint poor and i know it!
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[Light]

Dr Bang but you know everything! Fool.

I suggest you think seriously about your capability of doing this before starting it. I also suggest you don't charge too much because I'd be interested in some lessons too but I wouldn't be willing to pay very much! Online lessons(?)! Maybe an online session (free? just for me?)

I'm just interested in your method of painting using levels, etc. I've started using levels more but I dont think that technique is going to be for me as I want to use my tablet more. I've also started using a trash bag as glove to help my hand glide better over tablet. What type of glove is it you use? I think I'll get one.

Tip: If you have trouble makeing good lines with tablet see if your hand isn't "catching" on tablet. Pick it up and draw better or get a glove.

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But also yuo need to know how much this person knows. If you teach a group of students you need to be able to have an idea of how capable they are of learning or where they are at and what there purposes are.

If this person is simply wanting to learn to use the program then you may be better of just suggesting a book.

[Dr. Bang]

yeah and youre a pathetic liar now go back to your van and talk to your self please.
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[Light]

Yes.. but when I mean capability.. I mean you need to think about your students capability. You'd be surprised how many people would try to get your help without ever drawing or using a computer!

This is what i mean by your capability. I also mean your ability. If you charge someone a lot then they will expect a lot. And that can mean a lot of work.

Just because you are good or know a lot about something doesn't mean that you have the "capability" to teach it. Capability also has to do not just with knownig with but writing up plans, tutorials, assignements, and taking a student thru a process so that he will feel confident about what he/she has learned.

I'm just trying to say be careful about what you assume as you never know! You may end up trying to teach someone how to startup windows and open photoshop.

Btw.. I was thinking more of a remote viewing session. I'd just like to watch you paint. There are programs that can do this right?! Ok, I'll look for those gloves. I use trashbag with fingers cut out except for pinky too! eh.. but now it is tore. I thought it could be my special traemark but might just bite bullet and get a real glove.

[Jelo]

I some times help people out with PS as I'm qite proficient with it. No lessons but problem solvig or some times a quick introduction. thoug I don't have a plan of how to do it so it's rather unorganized.
Do you have a teaching plan. Every time he drops by will you just sit down and try things out together or do you have a serious lesson plan from like lesson 1-10 staring out with the interface and work flow and then the basic logics and then every tool and so on?
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[eyewoo]

Jelo,

I could develop a bunch of lesson plans without much trouble... but this fellow indicates that he has a bunch of specific questions and procedures to ask about... primarily related to elements of website design... I think I can handle it. I've been designing websites with Photoshop for 7 or 8 years.
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Light, the question wasn't IF he could teach Photoshop but how much he should charge for teaching it. Why would you bring eyewoo's ability to do this into question? Stob obfuscating the issue with your trashbag gloves and mooching free lessons.

Eyewoo, is this basic Photoshop instruction as in: This is the pencil tool, the lasso tool, the layer palette? Or is this more advanced painting technique instruction?

-Pat

[Bilbo]

all these replies and not a single straight answer

I Think something in the region of 20-40 USD should be reasonable.
It all comes down to balance- you want to charge something high enough so you'd feel like your time isn't being wasted, and establish a professional image among potential students (people often accept price as a measurment for quality) , and at the same time you must avoid making them feel like they're being ripped off. (you want them to tell their friends about you).
It's also about demand and capacity- if you're swamped by requests, raise your charges and the demand will reduce.

[Socar MYLES]

My old piano teacher charged about $100 per lesson. If you are a good teacher, you can get a LOT for private lessons in anything...so don't sell yourself short.
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[eyewoo]

Bilbo... right 10 messages before anyone tries to answer the actual question...

Socar... The info I've been getting from other forums (Photoshop specific) is that the East Coast USA going rate is $75 to $100 per hour for one on one instruction...
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[Light]

I wouldn't pay $100 per hour. I could probably work under a famous artist for that or less-- especially if they liked me. I bet even mullins would consider an offer like that.

Pay between $10-$40/hour seems reasonable to me.

I'd ask what his specific goals were and his budget for this is. Of course, it depends how many hours you give him too. If he just wants a couple of hours then it might be reasonable to charge more.

Pat; Ability is not capability. Learn to read. Also, if you read my entire message it said something to the nature of the quality of the lessons involved. If I pay someone $100/hour they better have a DA*M good plan, lessons, home work, and the *works*. If you make a lesson up or plan and make a careless mistake (i.e. forget to do something) then obviously this would not be good if your charging someone $100/hour. But, if he has the money maybe he wont care... ;0

[EviLToYLeT]

I think i'm gonna swear and rant in this thread now...

eyewoo - yes $75-$100 dollars seems extremely reasonable . 10 dollars - 40 dollars does not.

Establish a high price... say 100 dollars... and if your student is willing to pay it... hey no problem. He might even be willing to compromise for 90 or something - negotiate from there...

Think of him being the manager and you being the job applicant. You throw down the price, not the manager.

But if you sell short , he's not gonna be like. oh that's a little low, I'll throw in 20 more bux.

I don't know what in the world your talking about Light ... you don't adjust your prices according to the student capability. That is complete crap. It's based on the instructors capability - if you give him all the material and he can't learn from it ... that's not the instructors fault. That's as ridiculous and ludicrous as a college professor saying --- oh i grade on student's capability.
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wtf is up with you light? you act like a fucking 4 year old. shut up for a while.

Sorry this turned into a rant against light thread.

at the local art school they do 30 hours for 300 bucks. That is with MANY other students and a teacher that you have no idea of. I wouldn't even know if the teacher actually had ever used photoshop. So being that your students would know of your ability, (which is a definite plus going for you) and your ability to give 1 on 1 instruction I would say that around $100 - 150 bucks for a session (2-3 hours) would be well worth it to you and the student.

This is the first I have ever heard of 1 on 1 graphics program instruction though. Normally it is in a class, and normally the instruction is not very good, so take into consideration what you have to offer (which is a lot) and teach on!

[eyewoo]

Light... I find your advice rather immature and your approach rather tactless. Perhaps you can learn something from this thread... It's free you know

EviL... The fellow is an old friend. Haven't seen him in a few years, but an old friend non-the-less, so I told him the going rate and then offered $65 per hour for him. He accepted and as of Thurs this week, starting at 1:00 pm you can refer to me as Professor Eyewoo...
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There you go Light, please stay away from this thread from now on mkay?
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Yeah, but the guy probably doesnt have any time to learn PS, he's a busy busy successful bussiness man.
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[Light]

Dr Bang. Yes I will stay away from your thread from now on, mkay. Eyewoo, it is true I don't worship the art gods here. It is true I'm an alien! Apparently, I am from Mars and so are these people:

http://www.johnelliot.com/ArtLessons.htm

Credits: He's authored many books and is a pioner in painting according to his web site.
Cost: $25/hour

http://www.fullsail.com (full sail universty)
Cost: Less then $18/hour
Benefits: Accredited university, financial aide available, and you get a degree!
*It is also one of most expensive schools I know of

Honestly, I suspect very strongly that Boris Vallejo, Julie Bell, Craig Mullins, or any other famous or semi-famous artist (which you are not!) would consider giving lessons or have given lessons for $100/hour or less!

The average artist in my area makes about $25,000 per year with art directors and others making like max of $35,000! $100/hour is about $208,000 per year. I don't know of many, any, artist making that type of a salary.

Obviously with something like this you can charge whatever you want if the person wants to train under you. A fair price is whatever you set in a way.

However, any *SMART* person who wanted lessons could probably get a much better deal then your friend did! I suspect this invididual will need quite a bit of help! Good luck.

[eyewoo]

Light... I hate to get sucked into your little world, but it's just so much fun... what are you, 12 years old? 13? ... 16 tops?

And where is it you live that art directors make 35K a year... North Pole? I'm on the East Coast, USA... Even a poor Art Director can probably pull in at least 60K a year.
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[EviLToYLeT]

Light:: this isn't a flame or anything -- but just logical responses to all your points.

First of all ... we do not worship anyone here. We simply rewarding them for the time and effort they put into their piece in order to encourage them to draw and paint more...

if we did worship them like gods, god knows, Dr. Bang would be dead and laying atop some sacriligical coffin or something.

First, John Elliot is ... well, in New York and he specializes in oil pastels. That's a very narrow realm of art...

Phillip here on the other hand is teaching photoshop - anything related to that I'm sure he can provide great instruction. We must also consider the difference in media ... one is traditional and the other is digital. In gauging prices, I'd assume digital media has far more usage than oil pastels... I don't think any client would want an artist that deals only with oil pastels.

Mainstream stuff goes for more expensive anyway. No one wants to learn 10 year old stuff when there is shinier stuff out there - even if there is a premium.

Second of all, fullsail university -- bah, couldnt' even navigate their website, is a university -- meaning more than one student at a time with a wide variety of professors that could be good or that could be bad.

Boris Vallejo, Julie Bell, Craig Mullins.......hell the only one i knew out of it was Mullins .... and that was because I visited this board. I hope by now that you know fame doesn't matter in this world. Obviously, eyewoo is good enough to attract requests for one on one lessons --- and chances are that wasn't random. Think of eyewoo here as an underdog ...

And here we are ....

[Light]

Eyewoo you are RIGHT. Everyone here was right. Thanks guys for informing me.

[AliasMoze]

Light,
I used to live in Orlando, and I've met many many Full Sail graduates who think the school is a complete waste of time. Their recording school, I hear, is really good, though. Also, eyewoo isn't talking about public lessons. He's talking about an old friend who asked him directly. Why is this a problem for you?

Eyewoo, $100 seems high to me. Them's lawyer rates almost. But then again, you're talking about one-on-one training, which tends to be more expensive. I'd say just get what you can get, and make your lessons as effective as possible.

[polarFONTey]

Before I got a job in the game industry (btw light, the minimum hiring wage here was 36k for a no industry experience artist) I was teaching max/maya/flash for 50 dollars a lesson. I would leave 2hours open for the lesson. Sometimes we'd get done early sometimes we'd go over. so I think 65 is a reasonable fee for an hour or so.

My mother who's an mainframe programmer gets 200$/hr for technical support for the software they develop, granted thats a slightly more rare trade then photoshop painting, but just trying to let everyone know the scope of technical service fees.

I don't know what the current going rate is to have an adobe rep come out and instruct, but I'd imagine its between 50-200 dollars.

my 2 cents.

[Waldo]

I began to read this thread and thought this would be a good question for Pat and lookie there. Glad to see he still lurks...

Hey Phillip/eyewoo,

My company bills my time at $85 per hour. Of course I see only a fraction of that, but if I were to teach I believe $65 is certainly a reasonable amount to ask for. Particularly one on one instruction. Good luck!

And this Light gets dimmer and dimmer each day. Might be time for a new bulb...

[Intuos]

Light has proven himself to be a pathetic little shit-disturber for the longest time. His work fucking sucks and his ego isn't capable of fitting inside Sijun's server. I find him truly and utterly laughable... sad, even.

I find it hilarious how he tries to mooch free lessons from Phil under the premise that he just wants to witness the quality of his teaching. Haha.

Like others have mentioned, go back to painting with your garbage bag. You aren't improving, and your stench from the garbage you emptied out of that bag is permeating your personality even further. It stinks, and so do you, you ugly, pathetic little sewer-rat.

I love you Light.

Phil, considering these are unchartered waters for you, I'd try and get a feel for the game first. You might want to start with $50/hour just to see how things work. If you feel it goes smoothly, and the student responds well to your teaching, you might consider raising the price for the next student. Allow the feedback of your students to dictate your future pricing.

Personally, just from the advice I've seen you give here at Sijun, I think you're more than qualified to teach the software to almost anyone. I mean, not only do you have artistic knowledge/skill, but you have technical knowledge of the package as well (shortcut keys, tricks, etc.). Go for it!

[edible snowman]

i actually wish light was right for once. if any of those famous guys would give one on one lessons for less than 100 dollars an hour, it'd be pretty sweet.

[Lunatique]

Phil- I'd say charging something close to what you charge hourly for your freelance work. The time spent on preparing teaching plan counts too.

But, if this guy is learning to be a competitor, not just a hobbyist, I'd say add about 25% to 50% on top of that. Teaching someone to get them to pro level definitely should cost more.

Light- You are so reminding me of Robert Ashley from eatpoo.com. You two could become best friends. Then, the two of you could talk each other to death with a lot of hot air that serves nothing but satisfies your own needs to listen to yourselves speak. I think you mean well most of the time, but WHY O WHY must you be so damn negative about everything and everyone's work? Can't you just friggin' relax for a bit and act normal? (Well, if there Is such a thing for artists...)

[B0b]

i charge �25 ($40) for basic graphic app tuition - Photoshop, Freehand + XPress - mostly college students (usually Fashion students) who need to know more than they're taught @ college (they basically have never used a computer b4 to produce work because the schools here are so backwards they can only teach traditional art), i show them how to paint over, colourise, depetch and use the clone stamp in photoshop. in feehand i show them how to draw basic elements, use the pen tool, layes, select colours, teach them the difference between Pantone, CMYK and RGB. basic Text effects, ie. convert to paths, and attatch to path. XPress generally show how the text and box tools for importing images work.

the good thing about teaching the students is that they already have a project to follow, so they're learning stuff thats important to their course and are willing to pay the �25 hr charge

used to lecture Macintosh Basics @ College but they only paid me �14 hr :/