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WacoMonkey
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:35 pm     Reply with quote
Been working on this off and on between projects. Finally got it done. Started from some line drawings of bikes I had done for one of Delopolis' threads. Wanted to use them in something more finished, so I cobbled them together into this.

Why B&W, you ask? Because I've been working on capturing light, and my friend Ron Lemen (Fred Flick Stone to you CDF/Sijun veterans) suggested that I tackle value alone first, so I did.



I'll try to post some full-res sections up in the next couple of days, but I'm on a job, so not much time!

Phil.
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Awetopsy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:41 pm     Reply with quote
wow!!! very nice..

my only crit is that when you say Future race bike, it implies fast.. the bikes in the background dont seem to be moving very fast.

other than that, I think its a spectacular image!!
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Molako_Plus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:44 pm     Reply with quote
talk about some full scale kick-ass work.

i really love the concept and i wonder what this would look like in colour.

two things bother me... the guy who is fixing teh wheel, his visor is almost "too" reflective. and the racing track is raised of the ground right? its kinda hard to tell, i think you should have more contrast with the race track and that little slit of cityscape you see between the pit and teh track.


keep it up!
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Gargoyle
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:44 pm     Reply with quote
AND IT IS A DUCATI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
way way cool
would look great in color too ....but the balck and white giev a good feel of a race track
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AliasMoze
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:59 pm     Reply with quote
Sweet!

Lots of contrast inside the shadows. I guess this is a choice, right? Are you going for a blown-out look in the sunlit areas?

Anyway, this is a fine piece, as usual.
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xmmx
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:25 pm     Reply with quote
very sweet! and it kinda hard to tell the track is raised i didn't really see it tell it was pointed out
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keredleung
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:26 pm     Reply with quote
cool!
my crit is the reflection of right-hand-side man's head. Its too bright and complex.
Hope u know what i said, coz i cannot explain very well in word.
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ELLioT
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 1:31 pm     Reply with quote
Well, errrr, I ride a Ducati and I wish Ducatis will never look like this!!!

Your design is great but it's for a Buell or something... (please)
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Sumaleth
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:52 pm     Reply with quote
Excellent, Smithers.
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Flexible Elf
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 11:22 pm     Reply with quote
That's really nicely done.

-Flexible Elf
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Freddio
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 11:49 pm     Reply with quote
damn AWesome brother!!

I'd like to see some colour on top now that you have the values..

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Freddio ]
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BooMSticK
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:03 am     Reply with quote
awesome. just awesome. At first I thought it was two seperate paintings, but it all made sense... in the end
,boom
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Joachim
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:31 am     Reply with quote
Oh, excellent stuff waco !! love the design of the bikes, and think you made nice values. If I would comment anything, it is that since you got one focal area both on the left and the right side, it's a bit hard to capture what is happening at the first look. It might be better to exaggerate the dark area and light area(left/right) to separate the elements a bit (?) dunno....But, it looks great, I envy your talent for technical design
btw, how's your company going ?
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-HoodZ-
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:07 am     Reply with quote
wow nice design on the bikes
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manic
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:42 am     Reply with quote
uh.. I would love to have one of these in my garage..

awesome =)
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neff
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:06 am     Reply with quote
oh my god!

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jayceeL
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:09 am     Reply with quote
This picture just blew me away!!!

JayCeeL
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Nrob
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:45 pm     Reply with quote
looks great.. only thing that really confuses me is the way the bikes are going.

coming out of the pit does he do a U-turn to get back going the right way? To me it seems like the bikes in the background should be going the other way and the pit station flows into the race track.

I'm not a big fan of nascar racing so I'm not sure how the pit stations work, but to me that's how I think they are.


Hmm, I just realized it was an open gap between the pit and the racers.. I thought it was just a rail guard.. then my previous statement might not be true because he could be coming out onto a different road that wraps around to where the other bikers are at.. guess that works :P

[ September 18, 2002: Message edited by: Nrob ]
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micke
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2002 11:21 pm     Reply with quote
Wacomonkey...One word: Kick-ass!!
Nice to see you back

-Micke
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WacoMonkey
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2002 3:55 pm     Reply with quote
Hoo boy! What a response! Thanks all...

Awetopsy - would have been faster, but I put too much work into them to motion-blur them that much! I do have a version where they are more blurs of speed (as well as one where they are un-blurred) but after all the detailing I just couldn't bear to do it and have it completely unrecognizable... I know that's not very big picture thinking...
*sigh*

Molako Plus, xmmx, Keredleung- The detail below should explain the 'reflection'! or maybe not... intended to be a HUD repair schematic thingy. The raised track really isn't popping, a few people have mentionned that. Not sure what to do about it, it's already pretty blown-out.

AliasMoze - Hey! Great to hear from you!! LOVE the short film. Incredibly professional. Great story. Great shots. I should be writing this on your thread, sorry... Yeah, I was trying for a blown-out bkgd... guess I get caught up in detail a little much... I'm going to take a pass at contrast adjustment.

Elliot - Helas! Les fanatiques ne sont jamais content!! Si BMW peuve mettre au point un 'chopper', pourquoi-pas Ducati?(me voici qui cours a l'abri d'une barrage soudaine de tomates pouris )

Freddio, Elf, Sumaleth, Boomstick, hoodz, manic, neff, jayceel - Thanks, guys!

Joachim & Micke - nice to be back! company (me) is going well, I'm on a movie (The Outer Limits) finally getting a toe into Hollywood. How is yours going?

Nrob - what you said... I can live with that!!

Here are a couple of details at full res:


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Vorhese
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 7:18 am     Reply with quote
isn't he pointing the wrong way if traffic is going right to left? just a little detail I was wondering about.
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Godwin
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 7:37 am     Reply with quote
the circuit may not be an oval, it can bend on the other side, and from this view its another part of the track

anyway, superb, the guy's visor really attracted my attention, along with the chrome and such
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robcamp
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 8:21 am     Reply with quote
Double wow!
How can you come up with this stuff? Did u use any reference?

I wish I had cool ideas such as this!
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