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Enayla
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 10:37 am     Reply with quote
"The doves should not be white, my love,
No more than your lonely tears.

And yet, white they remain,
Pure like your innocence,
Even in the face of sin.

The doves should not be white, my love,
Forgive me for tainting them black.

Forgive me, my love, the sin was all mine.
"



In between working my arse off, I've managed to draw this. For those who are easily offended by androgyny, I'm really sorry, I can't help it ;P

This is a lot softer and more fairytale'ish than what I'm used to doing, but I had fun... even if it's a bit rushed.

Anyway, enjoy =]

[Edit] Something went wrong with Sijun when I posted my latest post as a response to the other's... that's why it's been cut in half =[ I can't seem to be able to edit it.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Enayla ]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 12:38 pm     Reply with quote
I seriously have no problem with androgyny ..
all my friends know that. they say im semi-androgenous myself. cos i do look like a girl, love it when the men turn around to look twice .. muahahahhahaha MUAHAHA..
the shock they get when the see the goatee. hehehehe

errrmmm .... anyway, always been a fan of your work ...
love everything about the painting, cept for the funny crown hes wearing .. =p hehehe
just not to my taste thats all ...
but I love the painting nontheless ... the shades are just too lovely.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 1:21 pm     Reply with quote
amazing!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 1:33 pm     Reply with quote
Looks great, of course duh
Really like the contrast and the colors of the skin,I think the blueish color makes the skin so good.

about the skincolors; do you have a certain way to pick them?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 2:56 pm     Reply with quote
dontfallin, I guess you don't know what androgyny means, huh? She addressed that very issue.

Enayla, the folds in the fabric are brilliant. My eye can't leave that area of the piece. Incredible.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 3:10 pm     Reply with quote
maybe you didnt read my question right I didnt ask about this picture in paticular I ask why all of her men look like women. and I wasnt critisizing her, I really appreciate her work.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2002 11:01 pm     Reply with quote
I dont want to offend you either, but why do you make all of your men look like women? (probably because its most comfortable for you)
your a very brilliant artist. I think Im going to draw something for you. how long have you been drawing for?
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KiNg_ToAd
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 3:04 pm     Reply with quote
Oh enayla.. ivemissed your work.. youve always had that beautiful elegant look to your pics .. im sure you wouldnt remember me since i didnt post that often, wheni was here about 2 years ago.. but i sure do remember your beautiful work..

oh and dontfallen.. they have always been that way .. its still a beautiful pic

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 4:58 pm     Reply with quote
thank you for sharing that enalya. like I said before I really respect your work. I think its gotten too difficult around here to ask simple a question without everyone getting all defensive about it and biting off your head for it. I think I wont return here for a long while.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 12:27 am     Reply with quote
beautiful work enayla.......never seen your work before and i`m impressed with the delicacy of your brush-work........

and the folds in the clothing are great...........

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:01 am     Reply with quote
That's very sweet. Especially the folds and the birds are wow. A question: Do you want to get the kind of "soft airbrush style effect" you get when you paint skin? Or is that just your natural style?
I think it's really great but I would just love to see you do some work with a more "rough" style.
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Enayla
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 7:06 am     Reply with quote
Gah, it so ABSOLUTELY ate my entire post when it crashed. =[ And now I'm too stressed out to respond to what everyone said.

Just that... thank you, very much - all of you. It was a rather rushed picture but I'm feeling mostly happy with it anyway =]

As for the androgyny thing, here's the entire response I wrote, that got devoured as Sijun crashed:

Well� I�ll give you a long answer on this one, just because I feel like ;]

I love to draw soft, beautiful things. Flowing lines, ovals rather than squares, and long, dancing locks of hair � because it goes with the way I paint. When I paint, I�m not trying to think of how to make a face as masculine as I can � I think on how to make it as beautiful as possible. For all that men can be handsome and stunning � fate knows none of my boyfriends have been particularly feminine � they are very, very rarely beautiful.

There are more reasons. In a picture, androgyny fascinates me. It�s interesting to draw creatures that can hardly even exist in real life � or to try to create faces and bodies caught in between sexualities, so that some will interpret them as beautiful women, and others as lovely men. Androgyny isn�t new in art, at all, but it�s something I�ve always found quite intriguing. Slowly wiping out the things that separate man from woman, and creating a gorgeous in-between creature. Such as Vicdaen, here. If this disturbs someone, I�m really sorry, but nobody is forcing anyone to look at my work ;]

I guess I have no place in a forum filled mainly with guys ;] I don�t really care, though, I love to paint, and I know that there are others out there that don�t really care about the gender of someone in a picture, only about whether or not it is pleasing to the eye. I�ve never painted to �turn anyone on�. These are not pinups, and they are made for another purpose altogether. I mean, it�s not like you have to date them, right?

I see no reason to why I should draw �manly� men. I know I can, I do it often at work. There are others who can do it -much- better than I can, anyway, I�ll leave it to them =]

Anyway, glad you like my work, and I hope I�ve clarified the issue a little. To sum what I�ve said up in a few words:
I draw androgyny because I think it is beautiful.


Oh, and on the 'airbrushed' note. This is how I draw because I like it. I tried a rougher style and I didn't feel comfortable using it. I really just want to paint what I like to paint - and this is how it comes out. I know it can't fit everyone's taste =)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 2:37 am     Reply with quote
I think you've attained your painting goal, because this image is absolutely beautiful. The palette, the details like the folds in the cloth, all done wonderfully. Maybe you rushed this one, but I see, imho an improvement in this piece, just in your handling of the composition and things like the subtle turn of the pelvis and nothing has been overworked. Again--beautiful!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 4:39 am     Reply with quote
Great picture again why dont you post more often I think I have all your pictures, through out the year LOVE everyone of them.
Post more
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:26 am     Reply with quote
Nice movement in the composition...I like the drapery folds, really convincing. How's the coloring gig?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2002 10:12 am     Reply with quote
Pretty
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2002 2:36 am     Reply with quote
it's got socar myles colors
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 7:47 am     Reply with quote
Queen of ethereal elegance strikes again.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2002 12:02 pm     Reply with quote
Was it that image?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:19 pm     Reply with quote
Hi Enayla! Very cool. All I see is [x]

-leo
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:32 pm     Reply with quote
http://www.enayla.com is down (or whatever ). But I linked an image above (I hope it's the right one!?)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2002 4:49 pm     Reply with quote
It still looks like a girl to me... okay, she has very small breast but hey...
i dont see anything masculin in it...

but anyway, as allway the pic is very cool...
nice mood... its for young girls... make a horse somewhere and they are happy

hehehe

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:48 pm     Reply with quote
Dear Enayla,
I am very new here. I found you via Wet Canvas web-site. Someone there directed a link to this beautiful image you created. I ache to be able to paint like you do here.
At first, I was able to view your image, but, now! I can not open it! It's got that darn PC red dot with a white X in it. What happened? How come I can't view it now but could at first? GRRRR!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2002 3:43 pm     Reply with quote
THANK YOU! AndyT!
I did not get an e-mess telling me of new replies to this post ...guess that's not how this place operates, eh?
I appreciate you posting this beautiful art for me again.
Why is the orig. art post no longer?
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