[The Badseed Subsides]

Im actually kind of surprised there isn't a thread that has art that was inspired by what happened last year today... Maybe if anyone has any kind of pictures, could post them here.

[The Badseed Subsides]

i figure i would contribute, even though im no artist, just a fan...

[The Badseed Subsides]

Lets try a linkmoms bobble head on 9-11

[DMAlpert]

Daniel M. Alpert
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[Isric]

I think one of the reasons you don't see much of it is because there's too much coverage of it as is. Someone in my design class said 'I'm suprised there isn't more art reflecting 9-11', but I don't think thats a big suprise at all. The media has completely de-sensitized a lot of people, to the point where they groan about hearing about it. This is sounds disrespectful, but it's not meant to be. We have the ultimate respect for the situation, It's just what the media monster has done. It seems that television stations think that if they don't offer condolenses every hour, and express their depest regrets, people won't think they're sad about it.
There's not a lot of art about it because we see so much of it its lost a lot of it's impact. Maybe you're lucky and live outside the television web of repetiion, if so, make some art. Most of us kinda need a break.

[eyewoo]

I don't know about being desensitized... there were tears in my eyes this morning...

[Akolyte]

I am not in the least bit desensitized...

[Shikome]

I spent this spring in New York. First of all I just love that town, but there is such a thing as sensory overload. Just look what happend in the former Yugoslavia, the mass public forgot about that way to fast!
But, we all feel for NY today, my art school had a quite minute and so did most of Stockholm today.

[el scoono]

I'll never get over what happened on this day last year. It was just too insane, senseless and violent. I still think all the time about the individuals who had their lives taken away for no reason at all that day.

I worked in the WTC briefly on the 49th floor and I can't even begin to describe how massive the buildings were, how many people worked in and lived around them... what happened was simply too much to comprehend. I don't think you can ever be desensitized to something like that.

[Gandalf-]

There were tears in my eyes on more than one occasion this morning. I'll never forget that day.

Isric, Canadians ultimately (and obviously) feel somewhat different towards the events of 9/11, but from what I've seen while visiting America, and from what I see through the ceremonies and whatnot today, America is far from desensitized.

I don't think that it's fair/proper to assume that because there has been so much coverage that you've become desensitized, that America as a whole feels the same.

[Fredrik]

I don't want to be disrespectful but i went mad when a lady in american TV laid the proposal to make 9-11 an internetional holliday to mourn the victims forever.

It seems that many people in USA don't see the fact that their country has been doing a lot of horrible things to other countrys. Look at vietnam, can't we give the 1.5miljons of vietcongs a holliday? i beleave that still, a lot of americans think that they "won" that war.. And iraq? Can't we give the innocent people in all houses wich has been bombed by american aircraft a holliday? Or (this thou, was not americas fault =) ) place a holliday or two for the allied soldiers/jews that were killed in ww2.. they were a bit more than the 2-3000 that died last year..

I really mourn with all the familys that lost their members on 9-11 but I hate the US ignorance for the victims of their agressive politic.

[egerie]

Fredrik : You said what a lot of ppl are thinking around the world. But we ALL need to stay clear of generalisation.

What scares me the most I think is how few are the people that stop and wonder what pushed the terrorists to do what they did. What train of thought brought them there. Stating that they're all madmen is too easy of an answer. It's the fast way out of a reasoning we don't want to give thought to. And when I say 'we'... I really mean all the radicals ; on one side of the fence or the other.
All this tragedy, here or over there shouldn't be forgotten nor ignored. Unfortunately, things do happend.

I hope the famillies and everyone affected by this will quickly recover.

[Juan-Philipo]

I think changing that name would be taking it to far...
I also wanna say I totally agree with Fred... I'm deeply sorry about what happened, and can sometimes even shed a tear for it, but still, I totally agree.

Its funny, just this morning I thought the same thing, why aint there more art???

[AndyT]

There's not a lot either but ...
[edit]Not exactly on topic but...[/edit]

[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: AndyT ]

[eyewoo]

Sure... bring up Viet Nam... OK... I wish someone more articulate than I could write what I'm about to write, but let me muddle through it anyway. There are few Americans today that do not feel we were mistaken in our assault on North Vietnam, but I think comparing that to Sept 11, 2001 in NYC is not at all fair. There is no question that Americans killed a lot of innocent people in Viet Nam - it was a mistake... but it is also true that American soldiers were prosecuted by American military courts when they committed atrocities... not all atrocities for sure, but the fact that those prosecutions happened at all is a defining trait of the American character... and the character of all free democratic societies.

No one here condones what happened on Sept 11, 2001 in NYC, but to suggest that America's past history somehow should diminish it's importance as a moment of utter evil is - to my mind - not truly understanding what happened. It should be remembered thoughout our planet as a day when a group of religious fanatics, twisting their own religion beyond credulity, killed over 2800 people in a matter of minutes... people representing many nations in the world, including members of their own religion. It was truly an act striking at freedom and democratic rule, not just America.

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[jr]

quote:

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Originally posted by Fredrik:
[QB]I don't want to be disrespectful but i went mad when a lady in american TV laid the proposal to make 9-11 an internetional holliday to mourn the victims forever.
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why?
Thousands of people were murdered for working. And waking up early to go to the airport or to work. You should get off your high pedestal and remember that these were people and not big bad America. I usually don�t respond to these threads because I�m prone to say something that�ll become misconstrued but damn it when I read this, I was pissed. ok, you think America is evil and kills babies and eats children. ok, fine.

[-HoodZ-]

aww jeez ...sheesh yeah yeah America is bad blah blah blah blah Vietnam blah blah blah....i mean damn im sure many of you visit other message boards and came across the same topic do we really need another one here...just search for it the you can contribute there about your view on America....

i like the pic DMA and as always i love you attention to detail eyewoo

[fazedesign]

less talky, more arty

Yes, its a great tragedy, alot of innocent people died, but there IS a discussion board, and this is the finnished art gallery.

[Beowulfthefallen]

Actually there was a 9/11 thread 2-3 months ago. But, I guess it's appropriate that a new one is made for the 1-year anniversary.

[JFreak]

I think it's a horrible tragedy and I think that it should be remembered. Unfourtunetly I agree that the media has taken it waaay too far. The real sad thing is that we put all of our attention on the events of one day which killed just less the three thousand (correct me if I'm wrong). When all around the world thousands of people die EACH DAY of hunger and disease (over 30,100 children). Something to think about.

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[The Badseed Subsides]

The Media wouldn't have kept covering it if the majority of the people watching weren't interested....

[Mindsiphon]

Who cares how much it's covered by the media.
The reality is that friends and family were senslessly killed by a bunch of filthy scum.
It would actually be disrespectful for the media to air reruns and all the regular television junk instead of reflecting on what has happened.

I guess it's easy to sit back and watch television and gripe about the coverage because it may be disturbing your favorite show especially since you cannot comprehend what has happened.

I do agree that tv desensitizes. After all how can you really understand the full impact of what happened to 3000 innocent men, women and children when you only hear about it on tv or the paper?

It's not about "America needs to look at itself and try to figure out why got bombed?
It doesn't matter why. Doesn't matter what country it is either.
If you are not one of those dirty shitbags then they hate you and would be damn happy to shove a bomb up your ass too.

[SiLeNt_UK]

Fredrick i think ure touching upon something not many people are willing to talk about but i shant start to say why i totally agree with you cos this isnt really the right time. just a small example - some americans fund the real IRA which bomb my country (England) and city (London) quite regularly. As soon as theyre picked on whoa this has totally gotta stop lets get the guns out. Of course the scale of destruction we're talking about is completely different but the principle's the same.
i was wonderin what u guys thought (Americans especially) about the new lord of the rings film. They want to change the title "THE TWO TOWERS" because it has connotations to "THE TWIN TOWERS". Is this takin it all a bit far?

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[BooMSticK]

I don't agree translucent. Seeing those planes crash into The Towers merly minutes after it really happend (even shown from different angles) had a huge effect on me. I believe that the media: internet/radio/tv brings the world together somehow and thus makeing the emotional impact of these terrorfying momments that much bigger.

sure you can say that the media wouldnt produce the images if there were'nt people watching, but when it comes down to it it's just the story of which came first - the hen or the egg...

,boom

[Ko]

I'm with JFreak... Exactly my thoughts on 11.9!

All that american tragedy propaganda on TV, just made me want to throw up... no offence.. I DO THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS A HORRIBLE TRAGEDY, don't get me wrong on that! But compared to what goes on in other parts of the world every day it just seems insignificant in comparison to the
all-out-blown-up-pro-american-bullshit.
I live in Denmark and had my face full of
it, all day long... come on, REMEMBER, but
don't tell the world how you've been wronged,
when worse shit happens all over the world
every day...

[Sumaleth]

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