[guarnere]

just need a bg...friend is doing 3d grass and im drawing sky and mountians

its gunna be kinda dark...kinda light

[Briareos]

OMG you suck hahahahahaha

[Mangled Alecto]

did that really take you 50 hours
cause if so...wow..you gotta move the paint a bit faster !

[guarnere]

Hyptosis thanks

But first of all...this is my FIRST wacom tablet pic..I dont need bullshit comments about the lightsource when I dont even have the bg my friends doing...how do i even know where the lights coming from? Obviously im going to fix it...I just wanted some decent comments, not a bunch of jackasses thinking they know everything...let me start...

-Mikael: Uhm..this is not a serious drawing, so im not going to go out of my way and change every lightsource ...Im not that..."into" the pic...jesus christ

-Svanur: only about 45% of it is shadows...the rest are marks from guns..and what oler color would you use for a shadow? look at your clothes.are your shadows blue? :P I used some darker versions of a color on some parts..as for the background..its not even going to be there..my friends doing a full bg in 3dsmax and im going to touch it up...so the bg is just there for no reason


Guys this is my first pic on a wacom tablet..give me some fucking credit..I had barely any idea what I was doing..I KNOW by fact the picture does not suck :| go to deviantart.com or dodmod/forums and look...i get hell of a lot better responses then you jackasses :|

if it sucks so much..then id like to see each one of you do it

[toiletPhish]

ya im with hyptosis on this. you the majority of you guys are a bunch of pos. the painting doesn't look bad at all. it could be better but it doens't look bad. for a first time painting that is relatively good! the amount of detail is a bit much i think...you need to simplify things a bit. all those scratches...although well done, they look a bit overbearing! the head is pretty well done and the blood looks really good from where i'm sitting. one thing that would make this look better, and i think someone already mentioned it, would be to get rid of the original lines, like the heavy ink lines on the gun and on the knees etc... you could make them a lighter colour or to make them less thick, or just paint over them.
well...thats all my advice!
i bet a lot of work went into this, hence the 50 hours.
i don't understand why you guys need to insult him, especially you briareos. even if you don't like how it looks, you don't have to come out and say to his face that it sucks and not even give him any advice to fix what you don't like about!
whoever voted this guy as a 1 is a stupid fuckface....i'm looking in your direction briareos.

keep practicing and painting with your wacom and your bound to get better... then you can show these assholes who's boss.

[fuel_99]

guarnere:
You didnt ask for any specific feedback so I don't know where you wanted to go with this Image but you need to be more consistent with your light direction. As has already been mentioned different parts in this picture are shaded with different light directions..
Also its good practice to start images from the background up as you usually come naturally to some lightsources already that way and you have more control over the end result in terms of composition for instance.

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Briareos, its sad that people like you are allowed to post on this forum.
Even though the above image might not stand up to the highest standards your comment on it was not only totally unnecessary but also totally dispensable.

[mitch]

This picture is great. You need to listen when people give you positive crit though. The lightsource absolutely must be thought of before hand when you do a painting. It doesnt have anything to do with the backround. You need to visualize where the light is coming from and how it would effect the object, you get better at that as you practice. Draw from real life if you dont know how light works. I'd also recommend detaching yourself from your work a bit more. When you get that emotionally attached to work it just makes the journey harder. Theres no such thing as tallent, just hard work, so the more you do the better you get. Know that everything you do is just practice, and things go a lot easier.

[Hyptosis]

I came back and checked just to see if anyone would say anything good, I'm impressed, some people finaly spoke out. Heh, good guys =P Show us what it looks like after you get the bg, and the new shadow work in, then we'll give you some feed back, at least I will if I'm on

[Svanur]

I don't know whether I am one of the jackasses, I hope not, but if I am, then it must be.

To further explain about colors and such:
There was actually a good thread in Discussions about colour theory. That the shadows are somewhat the opposite colour. When the sun is low and the sky is read, the shadows are blue. A nice rule that was talked about was hot light/cool shadows and vice versa. Shadows are rarely pure black except in some cases(according to some very talnted people here, not me though, I am a n00b and freely admit it.) The background thingy is something Spooge once talked about. Even though the background is going to be replaced it helps your perspective of colours in the picture itself. When you are working with a pure background the colour composition and colour of the light and shadows are always going to be affected by that. The colours used in the pic even seem to be normal to the white background but when placed into another background(let's say green, since you were talking about there would be grass and such) the guy is going to be affected by that since light bounces off everything.

I hope this helps and if my pointers are pissing anybody off let me know.

[toiletPhish]

svanur theres nothing wrong with what your were saying...your not a jackass and your info is useful and i don't think anyone is offended by it

[worm]

obviously you shouldnt listen to the "haha you suck" comment.. as for most of the other posts.. id have to say they were quite constructive and should point you in the right direction..
you say its not a serious drawing? 50 hours seems pretty serious to me..

you dont even have to fix up the drawing according to the crits.. its just good to keep the things people say in mind.. you dont have to contest everyones crits.. most of the posts were to help..

i agree with the lighting comments.. needs more of a definite light source..

good luck.. dont give up and dont let the negative people get to you

[gArGOyLe^]

umm nice.. was it really 50 hours?

how old are u? try to make it a bit more neater.. because some colors are going out of the lines too ..

good first attempt.. keep concentrating and you'll improve a lot

[Mindsiphon]

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Originally posted by Briareos:
OMG you suck hahahahahaha

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What an ass!

[Mindsiphon]

Not bad for a first time painting.
I do agree with the crits about the lighting.

Sijun is a great place as long as you ignore the immaturity of some.

[guarnere]

K..here..I accept the critisim fully, Its people who will say "HAHAHA YOU SUCK" ...when I know I dont. After looking at the pic I knew I should fix the lights..so I will ONCE my friend does the landscape....because it has a ton of lights on it..some tips WOULD help.. I dont truly understand about the colors though...thats what he looks like..my friend sent me a screenshot of his player model..so..I dunno? He's from Unreal Tournament 2003..:P....also..for the one who asked how i was...im 17..

btw i will definetly fix those lines

thanks guys

[guarnere]

Also..thanks guys, it means a lot too the people who stick up for me against assholes like..buerhreiro or whatever also, Svanur you didnt make me mad...your not a jackass...After reading it again, im going to let my friend do the lighting...while I do a new character...and look at some light references, and not outline with a black line..Once again, its my first pic, I was just trying my hardest ....thanks again

[Fate]

Whoa!! What's up with the rude comments? Just not having a good day?? Is there somekind of a history behind you guys or what?

[Briareos]

okok. im sorry. you dont really suck, but i was testing something.... really.. if this forum was half good, that would have been moderated out pronto...

[Fate]

Oh I get it.....alright, I'm with you on this one mr.Briareos!
still think the pic wasn't that bad though

[NeoFun]

Hey--- be nice. It's a good picture, but you should try and get rid of some of your origonal lines. The thick black lines everywhere detract from and sort of seamless reality.

[guarnere]

uh wtf..? ...

-Briareos-Stfu :|

-Mangled Alecto: zoom up and look at all the detail and tones of color I had to put in, this is also my first wacom drawing...

-Nefun-I will :P

[Micket]

interesting lightsource.. changes direction on ever object..
not very good. skit the small details for bigger details. and use less colors..

[Svanur]

You are off to a good start, the only thing that I would have done different is not using that much black in the shadows as it makes the picture a bit dirty.

A background, even if id had just been a single color is better than using white as white actually messes with your eyesight and makes the colors look weird.

I hope this helps.

[Hyptosis]

That the hell guys, a bunch of asses. Sure, it needs a lot of work, but it isn't that damned bad. Specialy for early work, dude, keep it up, you'll get better, but don't post on Sijun if people being mean are gonna both you. Otherwise, more power to you. Keep it up.

[mannela]

I think this is good.
Especially for your first one.
My first paintings were pure crap.

These jackasses saying this sucks don't propably remember when they started painting and didn't do "perfect" work. Or maybe they're some art school pimps who started paintings straight from the womb and now make fun of "less talented".

Anyway, keep it up man!
Just paint a lot and you'll get better. Remember that motivation is the key for learning. Good luck.

[guarnere]

thanks man

[ARTEmio]

You did a good job imho. about the shadows being too dark, I think you could mixsome colors to it indeed, SHADOWS AREN'T ALL BLACK! take a look at some of the "Impressionists". But anyway, I thing its is a GOOD piece. Keep it up.

[]'s artemio.

[Dr. Bang]

quote:

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Originally posted by guarnere:

-Mikael: Uhm..this is not a serious drawing, so im not going to go out of my way and change every lightsource ...Im not that..."into" the pic...jesus christ

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Woah, you spent 50 hours on this pic and its not a serious drawing? JIFDSFDKLSFDSSJ!!!!!

[MarshallX]

Okay...I'm not going to be an ass, and im not going to be Mr. niceguy who says the drawing is amazing, and you should leave it, because it has alot of potential.

First off...get the background in there if a friend is doing it, you posted in the finished but then stated that a friend was doing the bg.

Secondly...shadows...you got a bit lazy with the shadows around the gun, it just looks more like you took your pen and drew a line around them instead of studied the shape of the gun and drew the shadow according to that (hold up your hand and what does the shadow look like?)

Third, the best way to get rid of those black lines is to color the picture in PS6 and use 2 layers, 1) color 2) lines w/ multiply or some layer function like that, so they dissapear or die down so they arent so suddle.

Good Things:: The face looks great, just need some shadow beside the nose, and fix the ear up and you got it, still those lines are showing through too much.

The gun has potential if you get rid of the black lines....

I love the lower lip, that is great, once again though get rid of the lines.

The one thing that I see here that is good, is your attention to detail where it isn't needed, which is good if the rest of the pciture is good. The kill count on his right shoulder is a great idea, the bullet holes look sweet, the blood splatter on his face looks primo, blood on the leg etc. looks good.

Hope this helps you if you want to continue with this piece, if not, my post was worthless and im sorry.

BTW. To all the asses who ripped him up, get a fuckin life, i remember the first time i posted here and got the same treatment and I didn't appreciate it, i'd hope you guys would think of your first art, and realize that it wasn't that great either

[The Magic Pen]

comments like the first one briareos left should just mean auto-ban , we need more mods or at least 1 that does his job...