[Indian_Prophet]

Greetings

If it is possible I would like to get an overall critique of my thus far in the digital realm. I have been painting digital now for just over 7 months. I would like it if those of you that wouldn't mind critiquing my materials as a whole to go visit the below site.
Now ONLY the large paintings there are mine for this is just a temp template site to throw work on to link to sites. None of the text is mine either. But if you click on the links located at the left hand corner i.e. about page, photo page so on and so on, you can view my material. I believe I lack some critical content in my work that may separate me from the really good artist but the talent is there so I am determined to gain insight on how to improve my art. I just got out of classes and haven't been around for at least 2 or 3 months so I have no improvements to show, but I am back at it again...

Please give critiques on the scope of things.

Thank You
IP www.indian-prophet.5u.com

[Basse_Ex]

Please... You cannot seriously expect people to waddle through your standard page searching for where your different works are, when you haven't even bothered to take away the old "standard" art pictures that comes with the pages, and write some text of your own.

If you want a full critique of your work, then make a proper site(Yes, it can be a standard site, but not like this).

(I have a 50megs site that looks like yours, and I wouldn't ask for someone to search through all the piss there).

Ehhhmm.... Since I would feel bad about just bitching to you about your "site, here's some quick things about your art. You seem to have a sturdy grasp of the basics, but you still need more practice. The pictures look smeared and unfinished, and the colors and shadows are quite bland.
But one can easily see that your anatomy and general technique is actually quite good.

I especially like the monkey, and the girl on the "About" page.

You need to really finish off some pictures, put the final touches on them(Background, final lighting, smoothening, cut the compositions), and then it would be easier to critique you.

So all I can say now is:

Practice, practice, practice.

Mmm'kay?

[Angelic Devil]

Yes, if you would post an individual picture, I'd be more than happy to critique it. However, I'm not going to rummage through your site....

[Indian_Prophet]

Basse_Ex, Everything there is my art except a few small 80X80 landscape paintigs. All of the large 500X500 and up are mine.

It's not that hard. If you guys don't want to spend a few minutes at the web site then don't. Just look at the art! If you feel that is too confusing or too hard to do, then just exit out of my site and go about your merry way. You don't have to complain in this thread. I'm not changing the site.

Basses_Ex, thanks for your advice on the art.

Angelic Devil; Don't you have something else better to do than to repeat what someone else has already said?

I have had probably about 25 people over to look at the site and have had no complaints because they understood what to look for. You people are the first to complain about having to "rummage" as you say.

Anyone else not mind to take a few minutes of their precious schedule to rummage through the large art of my site? Hehe

Thanks

[Angelic Devil]

I'm not about to create a flame war with you. However, expecting people to critique any of numerous pictures you may possess, in my opinion, is stupid. If you disagree, that is your own opinion and I respect that. However, don't waste my time with you're rude comments toward me. It seems like you're promoting your site more than you're looking for opinions on pictures, and you should have something better to do with your time than that.

[Isric]

Mr. Indian_Prophet

Its not that we don't know what to look for, and it's easy enough to slowly pick your way through and find stuff. It's simply that in the future if you're sending your portfolio adress to a possible employer they won't take the time to explore and browse about. You need to be as clear and concise about presenting yourself as you can, and if there's a way to improve that, do it. The reason there are so few comments here so far is because people are impatient. They don't want to open your site, flip through, find work and then critique it. It's too bad, but that's just the way this business is. post a picture, then if it's good enough to grab someone they'll go to the site.
Also, appealing to the big names here usually won't go to well. Most of them don't spend much time here anyway, and most people here get kind of offended when you pretty much tell them 'I don't want your opinion, just the big guys'.
As far as your art goes, I'm going to say it again because you asked for critiques, practice. That's the only way to get better. You have a nice grasp of anatomy, your painting (like mine) could use some more work. It's a little mushy. Try using some harder edges here and there.
Finally, if your gonna have a picture of Jesus in your gallery, you could at least act semi-cordial to the people here. If you get all snooty and act like a biotch then start presenting stuff like that, you're making Christians like me look pretty bad. that would be greatly appreciated.

[Indian_Prophet]

Oh my goodness...ahhh who are you people anyway? Are you moderaters of this forum? Wait, perhaps you are the secret underground forum leaders.

Isric, I own a business dealing with illustration and graphic design. You don't think I know what the heck to send to employers? Do you honestly think I would send a potential client to this site? No this is as I have already stated a junk pile for those who are willing to take a minute and help me out a bit with what I need improvements on. As far as appealing to the big names here mumbo jumbo is off too. I only posted their names in hope they would come by and take a peak and give a helping hand to a fellow artist aspiring to be as good as they...but read the subject again it says and others....thats you Isric. As far me being a Christian I am, but I am also a human being and have grown tired of the complaining and bickering on this site. You are a Christian? But yet you are writing profanity and you say I am making you look bad. LOL. Little respect for the aspiring artist. If I was Loki or Craig, floods of folk would rush my site without hesitation, but sinse I am not I get a thread full of complaints.

I know other folk here who are not into complaining and I have posted this in several other art discussion boards and have good responses.
Now I have spent most of my time in this thread correcting folk and haven't gotten too much advise on my work, just a little anyway.

Please I ask again...if you want to complain find another thread...those who don't mind "rummaging" my site please critique my work as a whole and thank you in advance.

IP

[Basse_Ex]

My oh my, you're so open to critizism. That's a trait I admire in people. Really.

And... of course I am the underground leader of this site! But now that the secret has been exposed, I guess you can have my job. Good luck!

Hugs and kisses

From Basse.

[Dr. Bang]

Indian_Prophet's signature:

" This is my junk pile, not my webpage (Im not john smith) www.indian-prophet.5u.com "

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[Anthony]

If you want to post discussion, post it in the discussions forum. This section is for posting finished images in the message and receiving critiques on the images posted. You're not a newbie, with nearly 200 posts!

That said, lemme give you some general critiques on your work. Your form is allright, but you're not feeling it out in 3d enough - the figures are somewhat flat because you didn't feel out their depth as you drew. The colors could use some work by and large, think and observe more. Just learning warm/cool lighting would help immensely. For the shading, use a hard brush rather than the softer airbrushes-use a hard brush and you'll learn to paint.

So please be courteous in the future and post some images in the body of the message if you want a critique!

[Indian_Prophet]

Anthony
Well it was never my intentions to make it into a mere discussion but I'm afraid it has gone that route, a stupid one too. As you can see people are hopping in just to argue with me and that can all day because I don't feel I am wrong for posting my initial post with link. I also misunderstood because I thought so long as you provided a link to an image(s) that was permissible too. If indeed what I have done in this thread is not permissible by and large please do me a favor and move this thread over to the discussion side in order that I don't receive any more flames...hehe

Thanks

[Dr.Squirley]

am i the only one who sees the webpage not working?

[Basse_Ex]

It's not so hard for us to look through your site, no.

But it's a lot harder than it needs to be.

You're actually asking us to go through more trouble critiquing your work than we do with other peoples work.

It's a matter of common decency.

It's not that many pictures on your site. You could have uploaded them all in the photo-gallery section, and posted the link to that, or you could have posted them all in this topic(Up to eight allowed per post, I think).

Please, try to show a little effort on your behalf before asking others to put in effort for you. The rest of us manage to do it, so it can't be that hard.

OK?

(Edit: OK, it's a bit more pictures than I thought on your site, since some of them didn't show up the first time, but still you could have quite easily found a way of storing them on one page).

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: Basse_Ex ]

[Rinaldo]

just post them in the thread fer crying out loud.
trust me, I rarely click on a link to see what's behind it. I just do not have the time. only people who I know well get that treatment.
this is why. a crappy site that is complicated to navigate.

please, just think about it. the poeple you are asking for feeback have ZERO time for this kind of crap. I have zero time for this kind of thing and I don't even have a job atm.

you MUST give us something to go on, at least a couple of pics in the thread. you are asking for a big favor, and you are obviosly not serious about getting any kind of feedback.

what Isric said is right on the money. I have seen people go though portfolios and your's would be in the bin by now along with a "bad 'tude" stamp on it. no exaggeration at all.
learn information structuring. it's vital for getting any kind of possative response.

=) best of luck.

[fuel_99]

...

linedrawings are okay but you need a lot of work on your painting
(does it really take joachim, spoogedemon or loki to tell you that?).

by the way: having (digital) paintings filed under "photos" does not seem to be very logic.

[ceenda]

Attitude of post. Pointed at specific members.

FRUSTRATION SCALE
-x---------------

Told to go to website.

FRUSTRATION SCALE
---x-------------

Basic usability. I open the website, there's huge bold text that juicily says "Illustrations". It's not clickable. There is absolutely no hint around it as to where these illustrations may be hiding.

FRUSTRATION SCALE
-----------x-----

[Clicks slideshow]

[No artwork]

FRUSTRATION SCALE
---------------x-

[Clicks 'photos' out of desperation.]

[Finds artwork under 'photos']

WOOOP!!!!
WOOOP!!!!
WOOOP!!!!
WOOOP!!!!

FRUSTRATION SCALE
----------------- ***(X)***

Crits:

But seriously, the anatomy is very nice (speaking as someone who's skill at drawing people is not great). Colour seems to be a bit limited on the work that is coloured. Lighting perhaps very generic (kinda looks like a phong shaded model without shadow maps, you know, that kind of 'suggested' lighting that has no basis on actual light sources).

Anyway, 82% in total. 80% for the art, 2% for the attitude. Can't say fairer than that.

[Joachim]

Oh my !,

I won't join into the discussion.
I'm flattered that you want my critiscm. But, honestly, I don't just want to throw out quick words about your work in general, and it wouldn't be very precise. So, I rather prefer if you post a piece here and there and ask for feedback, then it's easier to go indepth so to say.

does that make sense ?

[Angelic Devil]

Wow, I never knew the topic would get like this...
Yeah, the site is too confusing. I'm not wasting my time.
Also, must you mock my vocabulary by putting quotations around the word rummaging. It was merely a word I used, and quite an accurate one. You do not want to test my patience.

[jr]

I have to admit threads like these are a guilty pleasure of mine. I love reading these. They�re so damn funny. This forum itself is a microcosm of society. There�s an excellent chance that craig, loki, and others have viewed your site just because of all the fuss but have chosen to remain silent because of your refusal to accept criticism though not criticism of your work but of your presentation. I�m not trying to be argumentative, just trying to point something out. Just calm down, no one is attacking you. These guys don�t know you, there�s no malice behind their advice.
As for the work, here�s my overall critique, much of it looks unfinished. There isn�t enough variation in the tones. Didn�t you post some of these on here before? Or was that on roundeye�s secret forum?

[synj]

dear mister nipplerubs,

just put an image in the beginning post of this thread or your next one and call it a draw.

I would suggest giving people a small naughty taste of what they might see if they go to your site instead of "oh hey my nuts are SO strong please come see them lift small planets".

Instead, you should show us your nuts lifting one of the small planets and then many more people will have an incentive to jack off to your genital lifts rather than just a small handful of people witnessing the glory that makes you such a hulking man of amazement.

Again, I can easily see both sides of the ass here, and I understand each buttcheek completely. I just thought you might want to lick me where I smile.

your sister,
Phkealsiema "shakeyboobs" Eeg'Lognamsela

P.S. I did not find any of the work truly moving but that's just me.

[ June 17, 2002: Message edited by: synj ]

[Basse_Ex]

Considering it was my post that started all this mess, I have to say I am deeply sorry if you found my wording offensive. I did not intend it to be that way. I even put a smiley in there...

I tried to post my second post more diplomatically, but it seems I failed there too. Sorry, again.

In the third post of mine, I didn't intend in any way to be diplomatic, and I do not in any way regret it. I don't need to get slagged for trying to help people.

When I first answered your topic, it was way down on the page, with no answers. I looked at it, looked at the page, and saw that there were some good stuff there. I also quite clearly saw the reason why no one had bothered answering your post. It was just too many unecessary things to go through for most people here.

So I tried to make you aware of the problem, and help you getting some more feedback.

I even gave you some feedback on your work.

My understanding of the english language is not a 100%, and I may at times express myself a little poorly, but I must state again that I in no way meant the sentence "Please... you cannot seriuosly expect people to..." to be offensive.

I simply meant it as:

"Please...

You cannot seriously expect people to..."


Now, please try to figure out what part of your posts and your attitude people have reacted badly to.

And don't get defensive on me now. This is not a flame, it's an apology, and some advice.

A little effort never hurt no one.

(Oh, and some advice for me: The road to hell is paved with good intentions).

(I sincerly hope this post doesn't bring this discussion further down that road).

[strata]

Synj, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Will you have my children?

[Indian_Prophet]

Basse, alright man...peace...no problems. Your words weren't that harsh but I was tripping on the trolls man.

I was kind of in a grumpy mood this afternoon but after reading these posts I am chuckling at the stupidity in this thread. I find it hilarious that people think they are going to phase me... it would appear that I have attracted the most intelligent of folks in here.

AHHHHH, who do i speak to to delete this thread huh?

[Indian_Prophet]

ceenda...granted you were frustrated with the site but attitude? Come on man, put yourself on the other end. How would you respond if the intitial responders said "Please...you cannot seriously expect people"..."and I am not wasting my time with". where I come from this is not respectful dialog and I don't consider it constructive critism but pure complaining with little respect.
Look at joachim everyone, now is that a humble and respectful response? Yes!
Thank You Joachim for your advise.

jr, its not the critism, its the way they have criticized. Again, put yourself on the other end...do you have to take that type of disrespect? Nevertheless, yes I have posted most of these in this forums once already but I am just getting too frustrated with the lack of punch in my paintings...I just thought that I was completely overlooking critical procedure in my work. Ironically, despite the bickering in this thread I have had some useful feedback. Sadly, you are probably right about some of the others not commenting for publicity reasons or whatever. Buy hey I did get joachim and youself, two artist I admire, to respond. When I get a chance, I'll try and clean up the site just a bit to satisfy and make some work smaller to post here.

angelic demon; you still talking about that?

[ June 17, 2002: Message edited by: Indian_Prophet ]

[Angelic Devil]

Still talking about it? Isn't that what this WHOLE thread is about? People expressing their feelings on your indecency to not post an image and still expect everyone to look through it? Also, only expecting the big names to critique it? So, do NOT even go there. Besides, you even got my name wrong, which shows how smart you are. I know I also helped with the creation of the nose dive in this thread. However, I fail to see the futile point in regretting any of it. I'm going to stop posting here and move on with my life. I have more important things to do then argue over this with such an immature individual.