[Svanur]

Long live the NWO (new world order)

[GrooveHolmes]

Before I get started.. Everyone, George W. Bush.... The W. stands for WANKER!

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Bush is a trained monkey who someone is controlling. He knows nothing and has made a fool of himself.

Ok,This is my first post in this forum and I'm ashamed its not related to any kind of art work but Bush is a piece of shit. I think Svanur said it perfectly with what he said about DUBYA being a trained monkey.
Think about this Bush Senior has been high up in the government for along time. Before he was Pres. or even Vice Pres. He was the HEAD of the CIA for along time. The CIA always knows more than the president, they are murderous, they connive and cheat. And have all kinds of back room deals going on to control everything. So he's used to controlling things and orchestrating great plans to keep right wing control. So it leaves me with little doubt as to how Wanker made it into office. The whole thing was just too shady. You know Bush Seniors been pissed 'cause he got voted out. So he laid the ground work, pulled strings... sucked dick.. whatever it took to get Jr. into office. The right wing controls the media, you only see and hear what they want you to.Imagine what the media would have done if Chelsea had been caught getting fucked up at a club. They would have had a heyday. But when it happens to bush's daughters' it gets discreetly swept under the mat. the Wanker Administration even went so far as to hand out threats. "You don't want to dig into this, its a family thing. If you do you'll face bigger repercutions than you could ever imagine." (Taken out of context) But THAT is bullshit. Its no longer a family matter. You're a public figure. Period. Its the publics matter now. I've gone on for long enough. But the fact is, he can do alot of damage in four years. just think about his plans for the millitary. Chemical Warefare. Missle treaties being thrown out the window. And then you toss in his shitty bullheaded texas attitude (I should know, I'm here right now) And youve got a disastrous mix. Yes, yes indeed.. Rome is infact falling.
Werd.

[Chris]

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Why is it not respect? You could probably help that, imho.

Cop comes up to you with a gun unhooked. Are you scared? Or do you completly respect him? Both. Scared because you don't know why he has his gun unhooked, and you respect him and his duty as well.

It is sort of like a situation like that. We have guns pointed everywhere, we aren't going to fire, but the threat is fearful no matter what we say. Even if we say we are just defending ourselves.

I think the USA does try to gain respect, but it is hard with a lot of courntries. Not many people respect Bill Gates, why? Probably cause he is richer then any of us could be...maybe it is jealousy...not sure, but the States are trying to gain peaceful resolutions to conflicts.

GrooveHolmes: Do you know how many people a decision has to go through before it is finalized? I don't think he can do that much damage.

[ July 25, 2001: Message edited by: Chris ]

[Akolyte]

For all of the people bitching about our President, do this:

1.) When you receive your tax BONUS return, throw it out, cuz Bush sucks.

2.) Go pump oil in Iraq for fun, cuz Bush sucks.

3.) Move to Somolia and live off of a diet of dried camel hide for 6 months, cuz Bush sucks.

4.) Come back to the US, and tell me you could do a better job than what Bush is doing.

I think America's problems starts with the bottom layer of scum, the unmoral, undignified, welfare-encrusted clusterfucks that make up most of our population. America is the only fucking country where you can get straight A's through High School, get a free ride to college, and pursue your dreams by your own will. Noone is stopping you, there are so many oppurtunities here. Somehow, everyone decided to take everything for granted in the US, now they bitch. I quote faustgfx here: "hippie scum"

[Jezebel]

Groove... I think the thing with Bush's daughters should have been wiped under the mat. They are young, like most of the people on this forum. They get into trouble, go out and party... they just want to be normal teenagers and I think it's really unfair for people to think that just because they are the daughters of the president that they have to behave like little angels. Imagine how frustrating it must be to be in those girls' position... I can't even imagine :/ The media really overhypes everything, it's rediculous. Don't even get me started on that missing intern chick.

[blaise]

Well, I didn't vote for Bush or Gore I threw my vote away on the Libertarian party. It wouldn't have made a difference anyway, the area I live voted 9-1 for Gore.

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Teachers? Thats because he wants PRIVATE scools funded with public money. He doesn't give a shit about Public schools.

First of all, he his education bill poured tons of money into public schools. His proposed bill(which didn't pass) actually only takes money from the public school after 3 years of failure to make to students pass. I think this is more than reasonable.

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Oil? I don't know anyone personaly, on tv or else where, who has said they wanted Bush to destroy national forest.

First of all, ANWR covers a very large area. Bush only wants to open a couple of miles for exploration. There would definitely be some more ground lifted to lay pipe, but after a few years I doubt it would be noticable. Take a look at California if you want to see what a lack of energy could do to the rest of the country. I'm all for solar, wind, etc, but this stuff is not going to materialize overnight, and to implement them will cost business's millions in R&D, implementation, etc.

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Superpower? Whoopdefuckindo asswipe.
Who cares if we are a superpower. Like we need to go around telling people what do.
I've always hated the bully attitude of
this country. Do what we say or we'll bomb ya. Yeah great.

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Honestly, I don't know what to say here, except that I doubt if we decided to unilaterally disarm, Iraq, China, and numerous other 3rd world countries would follow suit. I think you can look to pass history to see dictatorships and other forms of government that have failed and thrust violence onto the world. The fact is that we(the USA) are in the best position with our government and alliances to keep the world in check.

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He's not gonna hurt anything huh........
He's getting rid of medicare....to do this
it will take 5 years. Then his new plan starts
a year after he's hopefuly gone.
whitch means seniors are still fucked.....
You must not have any Grandparents.....

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Well, as much as I'd like to see all forms of welfare slowly removed from our system, I doubt your fears are going to materialize. You must not have any faith in our liberal and moderately conservative people in congress.

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All the money is going to the rich again.You'll see when you get your tax return there buddy.

Actually, the rich far outpaced the poor during Clintons 2 terms. Moreso than during Reagans 2 terms. As for my tax return, I don't pay much in, so I obviously don't expect much in return. Maybe if you'd admit to your dreams of a more socialistic USA, we could understand each other.

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But Bush is an outright moron....

Agreed, but I don't really think he's running the country exclusively. As much as you may hate Cheney, you have to admit the man is more than capable, and from the cabinet Bush has in place, I don't think there's too much to worry about. 'Cept for Ashcroft, I'm all about Separation of Church and State, so I'll admit to this guy making me uncomfortable. But he's miles ahead of what we had before him.

/goes back to talking about games, graphics, and women

[MoleculeMan]

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Originally posted by Svanur:
I think it's weird that you only allow a president of maximum of 8 years in the chair. Here back in good old cold Iceland we allow the president to be voted as long as the people want him. We had a female president for over 10 years and those were one of the best years in my country.

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I agree that its stupid. the problem (if i remember my US history) stems from a recent problem i guess. It used to be that a president could server for as long as they could get elected (usually only 2 terms anyway). Then came FDR who had something like 4 terms. After he died, his opposing party got scared that someone else like him would come in (ie no power for a long time), so they made the term limit. Then along comes (i think) ford, who people would have voted in forever, and it seems that the people who pushed it through fugged up. I think thats how it happened.

BTW, i think CLinton was awesome. he was invincible. I wish there was some way to get him back in.

[mk]

hmmm... i think Mickey Mouse is cool...
Vote for Mickey Mouse next time. He is really a clever one, okay his ears are a little big, but he who cares? He has never sex (so no Lewinsky Stuff) he tries to solve all problems without weapons (at least he would never use atomic bombs) and he has some cool friends (the little space guy with his endless pockets). And then vote for DD as finacial minister.

aehm yes... its late...

mk

[burn0ut]

its funnny, former president Carter said he doesnt like bush either.
its in the newspaper.

[Dryfire]

da mouse all tha way!

[Poprocksz]

lots of good debate here....i'm liking it...

I personaly feel the gun thing is out of control.
Kids are shooting other kids or themselves.
and that Charlie Heston fuck in the NRA
says we should all be ableto carry around fuckin semi-automatics and uzi's.
For sport or protection.

Anyway, I don't sit here and dwell on it.
But I really feel strongly against him.

Oil? I just don't see the need to drill at all anywhere.
We can run cars off of vegetable oil for christs sake.
We are just gonna drill till we're fucked.

Terms? I don't think we should have a president at all. The House and the Senate
are enough.
The President is just there to put a face on our
government.
And what a dumbfounded moronic face it is.

School? no comment......it's just as fucked without Bush.

The world isn't gonna change cuz I bitch.....oh well

[Ken McCracken]

I know the europeans in these posts probably mean well, but to be honest, europe gave us the third reich, the gulag, the gestapo, the show trials, and auschwitz. Americans would be wise to ignore european political advice.

Besides, americans are perfectly adept at fucking up their own country, anyhow. We will just create new and inventive ways of doing it.

[PandaX52]

*yawn*

reality....

[faustgfx]

i don't get it. i've seen (again and again and again and again today) alot of whining about the glorious leader of the United States of America, George W. Bush (retard), again. everyone and their grandmother's one legged bulldog with a green tail seems to hate Bush's guts. and i mean everyone.
which is just fine by me, in fact i'd encourage the whole nation to go on a rampage and have at least 90,000 big fat hairy homosexuals molest Bush during one day.

i just don't get it. *shrug* americans. but then again, fucked up people want a fucked up leader, so go figure. broken gear makes the loudest screech and so forth, to quote someone.

personally i regard Bush to be the biggest mistake America has done, right after existing on this planet.. but then again, i don't think America has had a decent president after John Kennedy. who got shot, naturally, he gets extra points for that.


(partially copypasted from another post of mine, just 'cause i'm too lazy to type.)

[DarkAgesDragon]

I'm not from USA but Christ said :

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but the States are trying to gain peaceful resolutions to conflicts.

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Read books from Noam Chomsky and tell me if you're still convinced(sp?) that the USA are for peace.

[Poprocksz]

I almost agree with Jussi even though he's dissing us....
America is a big bully ass bitch of a country.
We started out as a revolution and ended up as a joke.
When Europeans picture Americans they see Tommy Shitfinger, McDonalds, White trash
rude racist assholes, N*SYNC(uuuggg), Celebrity.....wait..thats another issue....
Who really gives a shit about Tom Cruise
and Britany Spears.....and Bush...FUCK BUSH
We are so blinded by spectacle that we don't see the truth.....

A Question for Jussi....

Who Leads your country?

wait...this goes for all you outside of America too....

What do you think is better about yours and what do you hate?

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: Poprocksz ]

[faustgfx]

my country is lead by a figurehead president who doesn't do anything idiotic, but nothing positive either from what i can see. i personally don't give a fuck about our government and whatnot as they don't pull drastic retarded shit all of the time. they don't really touch my life, except i pay taxes outta the ass.

[ceenda]

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Originally posted by Ken McCracken:
I know the europeans in these posts probably mean well, but to be honest, europe gave us the third reich, the gulag, the gestapo, the show trials, and auschwitz. Americans would be wise to ignore european political advice.

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Hmm, it was the scientists of the Third Reich who gave you your space technology.

[Svanur]

Akolyte: it's true that the reason a country can fall is because of the people who won't stand up or do anything. But there is also one problem I have seen in the US, it's capitalism. I don't want to sound like a Communist but the US has been so much into capitalization that it hurts. The good School cost so much money that it's outrageous, thanks to capitalization. Here in Iceland we have a hybrid system of both capitalism and communism. The taxes pay our medical care so we don't have to worry about medical insurance. Believe me it's a great relief. All schools are funded by the government one way or another, even the private schools get funded. A good university here (which there are only 3 in our capital ) cost almost nothing to attend(compared to schools in the US). They are different, one is funded completely by the government and the other 2 is private. The tuition to the private schools is about 720 $ a year but the government is about 150 $.

And if I had to give some example of crime:
There are almost no murders and only one has been in investigation for about 10 friggin years. There is about 1 murder case tops here a year if not fewer.

But the US is overcrowded which causes tensions to arise. I doubt there is one fix for the US but to me Bush definitely isn't. His acts have been against everything that the world is trying to aim at(or at least Europe).

Just hope that people won't vote for him again after about 3 years.

[PandaX52]

Nuke the whales!

[Svanur]

Ken McCracken: and where do you think most americans are from? Unless you are a native american, your ancestors are as guilty as Europeans are.

Most Icelanders are descendants of vikings who couldn't take the rule of Norway(read as criminals ) and Irish slaves who found some freedom here.

I don't know whether people know but Adolf Hitler was a bit of a pop idol to British and American aristocracy. Of course it ended when he began attacking Poland.

You also have to take into account that Europe has a long history but America has about 200-300 year known history, you got a few centuries of mistakes to catch up with us but believe me, you will catch up.

Poprocksz: Our current president is �lafur Ragnar also known to us as Lord Bacon , he isn't bad but he isn't anything good either, he is just a face for our country nothing more. The senate holds more power and 50% of them are idiots who try to put relatives into seats of power or a good paying job.

[starfish]

what might happen when you don't care...

Yesterday US ambasador Donald Mahley said
that US don't want the proposition to
enforce stronger regulations on biological
weapons(the most dangerous weapons currently
available).
Finally understand why they don't want to
tell the truth about the chemtrails.

Well, after not wanting to take part in cleaning up
the world trough reduction of greenhouse gases
(the Kyoto protocol).

And after not wanting to accept stronger
regulations on light firearms, saying that
they need to be able to support groups who
fight against governments who violate
human rights (wow, didn't know that the Tallibans
translated into that).

It's no wonder that many of the young people
in the world feel disgusted about the way
some greedy old men are turning the country,
and the rest of the world into one huge
'big brother' state.

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: starfish ]

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: starfish ]

[Chris]

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And if I had to give some example of crime:
There are almost no murders and only one has been in investigation for about 10 friggin years. There is about 1 murder case tops here a year if not fewer.

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I like how you mentioning icelands crime rate. How do you think we could use that information in USA? You have what 100,000 ppl there? That is a small city in Iowa for us hehe Lets put your police and crime prevention plans in a 250mil population and see what happens. See if you still have only 1 murder a year.......

[Svanur]

Biological weapons and nuclear weapons are indeed horrible. We will probably destroy our world before peace ever arrives.

[Lemur-X]

I didn't vote for Bush or Gore this past 'election'.

I thought the elections were supposed to get the best man for the job in the office.....not the lesser of two evils.

*sigh*

Bush is a moron. Did anyone see 'The Daily Show' during the election? One night they kept replaying a clip of Bush getting up out of his seat, applauding himself, when he was announced his party's candidate. He had a raging hardon.

The dude gets wood from power.

He has no *REAL* governing skills. The Texas governor is hardly a real position. They have/hold no real power......the state is run by special interest groups. Trust me on this one.

The closest thing he's had to being in any real position of power was when he was putzing with the Texas Rangers.

Scary, isn't it.....

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: Lemur-X ]

[faustgfx]

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He had a raging hardon.

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gaahhahaha

[Dryfire]

lol, you know the US uses twice the amount of oil that we ourselves produce.. we need oil to run things like factories, trains, cars, all kinds of stuff.. plus.. you can put vegetable oil in your car.. see how you like it... might as well add some pee in there too hehe jk

[Lemur-X]

I'm still pissed over the fact that we (the state I live in) drill and refine more oil than nearly anywhere else......and pay much more per gallon.

Regular unleaded gasoline is 1.74 up here....

[blaise]

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(partially copypasted from another post of mine, just 'cause i'm too lazy to type.)

And apparently, too lazy to think. Nice to know we have European elitists to take care of us, oh wait....

[ July 26, 2001: Message edited by: blaise ]

[Poprocksz]

Well I'd put vegetable oil in my car, but I'm not a fuckin
moron. They have special cars for that.
If you ever make it to Hawaii, you'll see them. They are used more than diesel or gas
engines for state sevice vehicles.

Oh....and Blaise....good luck pickin a fight with jussi....hahahahahaa