[above]

Grammer seems to be a pretty sensitive subject here on this forum. I still can't understand why some people get so irritated over "u" and "ur"? I myself don't use either because it has never became a habit of mine. Is it just some way for some people to feel more superior then their fellow posters, or are they just doing it to piss people off? Or both? Words are just symbols for communication, so if I say "u" instead of "you" or "ur" instead of "your", you still get my point either way. It reminds me of Marilyn Manson, believe it or not he is a grammer freak too. For someone so for free speech and freedom of the individual he seems pretty uptight about grammer and spelling. Probably because it just pisses people off in are world of deteriating proper english. I don't think anyone is getting dumber by substituting words for shorter ways, it just makes elitist feel more superior.

[ex]

It upsets me too. Not because I feel as if i have a superiority over fellow posters, it is beacuse it makes people look so dumb when they are posting and they cannot take an extra goddamn fraction of a second to type out the other two letters in 'you'. It's so dumb, why would people have gotten into the habbit anyway? To save time? Bullshit. It saves no time.

And, it might be just because I attended a Cathlic school. Yeah, the english class there was the equivlancy of sitting though 55 minutes of hell.

Now, my grammer is decent, but, my spelling, hehe, that could use some work.

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: ex ]

[ex]

No shit, you can also sucessfully sound like a moron in the process.

[Lapjos]

U L7 j/k

Now that saves time

The intention of written words is not about beauty, it is about communicating and a 'u' communicates as much as a 'you'..thus both version are ok.

ciao

[Blitz]

I dont mind eather...dosnt sound dumb to me when I read it....I just go right through it.

What gets me is when people start saying their abreviations.

Like my sister and her friends have goten into the habit of actualy saying JK when they mean Just kiding....it reads fine, but it sounds Dumb

And she also sais LIKE every 5 seconds...drives me batty

[faustgfx]

by the way, it's "grammAr"

[S4Sb]

That was irony, mr. Faust. heh

[Lapjos]

Du machsch abba Sach�, du Held vom Leberk�s

[Lemur-X]

teh tigar aet my haats

[Zekie]

mae bi ai shudu taak mol raik dis. or... in some in romanji... asu in japanese ranguiji. Hai... nihongo no ranguiji. Do desu ka? ROFL

[Lapjos]

Wok long rot
ol kar mas stop
sapos yu lukim
red pela mak

btw That is grammatically correct English - Pidgin-English

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: Lapjos ]

[faustgfx]

ASFJKL ASJFKL AJSLKFJ KLASFJLK ASFKL JKLASFJ KLASF WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS PIECE OF GOD DAMN SHIT UBB FUCKING VERSION ALWAYS JUST MYSTERIOUSLY LOSE THE | -SIGN I PUT AFTER = ??!?!?

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHRRH.

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: faustgfx ]

[Steven Stahlberg]

I'm not a native english speaker either, I just hate to see any language butchered like this.

Using numbers instead of letters and words, upper and lower case mixed creatively, 'u' instead of 'you' etc... all these things do NOT improve legibility, not for the majority of the world's english speakers.

On a public international forum with thousands of participants from all over the world it's just basic civility to try to be as legible as possible.

[S4Sb]

Hey, I give my best for legibility. But that was my point. We're lotsa different nations here. And we gather with this language. We should accept mistakes for what they are. And if people want to use cool words. They should use those words. It tells bout character. Period. Move on.

[gLitterbug]

S4Sb is right.

[exo13]

I can spell "hello" upside-down on a calculator.

[Impaler]

Yet, you can't spell your own supposed religion.

CathOlic.

!7331 = 58008 .35006 618 ,07734

Anyways, use whatever cute acronyms you want, replace "you" with "u", "for" with "4", anything you want. You only make yourself look like an illiterate moron to people that you'll never meet or know and thus whose opinions on you have no real merit in real life.

How's that for poor grammar?

[Steven Stahlberg]

The argument about being polite wasn't very popular, well then try this:

Mistakes are mistakes, and I accept them totally, I'd never dream of making fun of someone who doesn't have english as first language for making honest mistakes with it. Instead I applaud and encourage them, I know how it feels, for instance when I try to write in French...

But trying to be 'cool' by abusing the language on purpose is something completely different. I'm sorry. That's my opinion, and I have to be honest about it. I've thought a lot about it, I've tried to look at it from both sides, and I keep arriving at the same conclusion.

When I see someone write things like "dEepthAnx 4 u" I cringe a little bit - am I alone in this here in this forum? I don't really think it's cool, do you? I'm sure the guy might be EXTREMELY intelligent, much smarter than me, he may even be older than me, my mind tells me don't judge on this small basis... but my gut reaction can't be changed by what my mind says. I'm sorry guys if this upsets you, I'm trying to be honest. It's hard for me to be brutally honest, I'm always so damned polite.

Another way of looking at it:
Many of the world's greatest authors have written exclusively in the english language. They spent their lives, like we artists do here with our images, trying to perfect their command of language. Every time you mess up the language on purpose you are being disrespectful to those dead and living authors.

Heck, I know I'm not changing anybody's minds here, just wanted to get that off my chest. Now resuming regular programming.

[Flinthawk]

Hey Steven, you're not alone in your opinions. In fact, I think it was only a couple months ago where a similar thread of this very same topic was discussed and I vented in what was probably a more heated manner than you have. I can't remember what the title of the thread was but it was all about grammar, misspellings and the butchering of the english language.

Basically I posed the same ideas, mostly focusing on the common courtesy factor because sometimes bad grammar is just hard to read quickly...I skip it and move on. I can live with the knowledge that there might have been something worth reading in whatever was there :P

Ah, here's the thread's title: Rant'em Musings - Da Inglish Langooage ...for some reason I can't open it though. Oh well. At least know that you're not the only one with this view.

-Flinthawk

[Socar MYLES]

Min hund har loppor. De biter hans kn�n.

...erm...I have nothing to add here but my personal opinion. I'm not a fan of Internet abbreviations. As I said in the last thread about this, 'ur' sounds like something an orc would say:

Gonad the Ballbarian: Avast, foul Orc!
Orc: Ur!

Heh...well.... Yeah.

[faustgfx]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Socar MYLES:
Min hund har loppor. De biter hans kn�n.

Gonad the Ballbarian: Avast, foul Orc!
Orc: Ur!

---

bwahah. thanx for the laugh, socarwhee :P

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: faustgfx ]

[aquamire]

Now, I can't stand abbreviated language mixed with numbers and symbols either, mostly because that can be linked with generally 'elitist' behavior thats been around since the 'ol BBS days.

However, heh, what do you think of mr. e.e. cummings? Is he excused simply because he was prolific and succesfull at bending language into a poetic form? I honestly cant stand most of his stuff, but I'm not a big fan of most poetry in the first place, so exclude me from that idea.

[edit]oh, the irony..[/edit]

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: aquamire ]

[S4Sb]

I want to state my opinion and say that I don't give a shit.

I'm from germany. I can write what ever gramur I want to do

[Count Zero]

Whatever.

If you bitch about how people abbreviate words, you should at least have the common courtesy to care about syntax and the general construction of sentences. I don't even want to bring up the amount of grammatical mistakes in the majority of posts complaining about things like "U", "L8R", etc.

I'm not saying I know how to write proper English, but when even I (a foreigner with English as a second language) notice mistakes in basic sentences by people from USA you know there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

So in conclusion; stop posting, get the fuck off the Internet, go back to school, read books and learn how to rite f0king American!

[Lapjos]

Oh yeah, Count Zero, sometimes I think the same, but who cares. First I am not their teacher, second I am very far from being a flawless writer myself, third my written texts in German are worser and have more mistakes than most English texts posted here.
btw I write most of my German texts in the dialect spoken in my region...now these things are legible for people outside my region

ciao

[Lapjos]

On a side note:

Count-Zero, aren't Fins supposed to be very fluent in foreign languages? You have no dubbed versions in your tv programm...only Swedish and English Films, sometimes with Finnish subtitles. Is that true?

ciao

[ July 29, 2001: Message edited by: Lapjos ]