[Ahcri]

Collage and India ink on paper.

I actually didn't like this one very much, but with some luck it was sold for $50. It's the first piece of drawing I have ever sold, I thought I'd scan and post it here before I give it to the buyer.

[SWANY]

It's an emu isn't it

[Ahcri]

Hehe, it is not supposed to be anything. That's the reason why I call it "Untitled" (I ALWAYS name my works).
But it's good that you've used your imagination.

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Ahcri ]

[[Shizo]]

smeared poo for $50?
damn baby, sex do sell

[Peugeot]

I think it is very expressive and well done.

I also think comments like "smeared poo for $50?" are immature and completely useless.

[Ahcri]

[Shizo]: I actually expected this kind of response.
But I did asked for comments, but can you be a little less insulting?

Peugeot: Thanks for the comment.

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Ahcri ]

[ancient skeleton pirate]

this is really awful, i dont see why you would even show this to anyone, maybe you need to confirm your low self esteem or something. peace on it

by the way dont act suprised when people react badly to something which you know is total crap.

[Jezebel]

I actually like it to be honest. It's just got some really neat texture and lines to it, and I really like the splotches of white. Now mind you I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for it (congrats by the way ) it's still neat to look at. I would not compare it to "poo" or call it "total crap"... it looks like it was fun to make. I like using india ink.

I do wonder though, why you posted it here if you said you expected a negative response and that you didn't even like the piece yourself?

[geoman2k]

i like it... nice flow and balance. sets a nice mood. my only problem is i can't really read the text... does it say something, or is it just gibberish?


don't listen to these people calling it smeared poo and shit... think of Polock, Piccaso and Van Gough. They all got 10x that criticism and they are not thought of as someo of the great masters.
don't let ignorance get you down.

[jr]

hmm, alot of art is like poop though, it all has to do with who makes it. for instance, look on ebay , that celebrity poop sells for big bucks. just like alot of second rate artwork made by a "master".
anyways, art is a personal thing, do whatever floats your boat, and if you need more attention, start copying frazetta!

[Ahcri]

First of all, I believe poop is brown, not black.
Secondly, I'm not a troll or anything, and I worked hard on this. I guess after reading a thread called "Fine Art, Shhh", I start to realize if I post something of mine here I would tell apart who is "old school" and who is more like me.

ancient skeleton pirate: I didn't think it is "total crap", I just said it's not my best work, that's all. And I didn't act surprised, "getting angry on the internet is like getting pissed off by the writings on the bathroom wall", I once heard.

geoman2k: they're actually a sentence, but it's really embarrassing to show, so I covered them with washes of ink. And thanks for the encouragement.

Jezebel: The reason I post it here anyways is like you said, I do like the fact that it has some nice textures to it and it's not (at least I don't think) completely awful. I guess I still want to find someone who would appreciate "this" kind of things at this forum. It's funny, non-digital painters usually doesn't know how to use internet or own a website, and digital artists know how to use the internet or how to make a website, but they have no intention to do something that pushes the border. I still couldn't find a message board for traditional artists, once I've found one that's good, I will no longer post my "crap" here.

jr: I think I've got enough attention just by this post!

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Ahcri ]

[shahar2k]

hehe this reminds me of a time when me and a good friend (who was far and beyond my levels in his own talent) came up with our own analogy of why art is like poop, it went something like "art is like taking a dump, if it wants to happen, it'll let you know, and if it dosnt, nothing that you can do will make it happen."
anyways, that's why I think art is like poop

oh and btw as nonsensical as that might look as a finished piece, I think it would have been a blast to create, and actually created something interesting to look at and balanced

I think that art is anything you use to communicate an Idea without freezing it into definitions and words (even stories dont use their words to communicate Ideas directly) and for me this shows how bored you must have been (isnt it fun to just take the dropper out of the ink bottle and draw with it?)

[Little Beefucker]

When anyone in a forum ever attacks another person, ESPECIALLY regarding art -- which is totally ambiguous even to the richly educated, anyway -- you're guaranteed a lot of lash. Just my two cents on that. : )

Regarding the style: OH YES. I love that you're so free with the brush -- though being an amateur inker myself, I'm not even sure which media you used to lay it down. Plus there's something very comfortable about seeing a confident splatter. But even aside from the picture's subject (which I quite like as a dragon, despite this probably being WAY off-base), and aside from the thickness and contrasts and liberal application, you really fuel it with the text. THAT'S what I like. Plus I'm all wet for anything half-done, intentional or otherwise. Love it love it love it.

Regarding the sale: a friend of mine drew a stripper he found in Denver, CO, and sold it two days later for $75. We all teased him about making a piece of crap and striking lucky, but the fact of the matter was he did something he wanted and AT LEAST one other person appreciated it. And the buyer didn't even know the back story (better than the picture itself, if you ask me)! Plus he got a stripper girlfriend in the deal. And a cafe to hang his portfolio -- typical and respectable treatment for any artist on the rise.

Thing is, my friend got really hurt when we teased him, because somehow he gauged his work on our response, not the sale. Also, he started feeling restricted because he thought he couldn't vary his style without losing the audience he'd already won. So he quit drawing altogether. Inexplicable. You don't seem to be headed that way, but just in case, remember this timeless advice:

Critics are big wankers. : )

Keep this stuff up. Love the contrasting elements, love the reactions it's getting, and love that you too are looking for inkers. We're a miserable band of jaded expressionists, heh heh. Good work.

[12345]

god!!!! this is an ugly piece of art.

[DiXter]

Well, I must be honest.. I don't get this type of art, but congrats for the sale.

[12345]

i like this one more though

[Cos]

It's great, has a Dave Mckean kinda feel. I would like to see an element of this used in your drawing style artworks rather than just on it's own. Think that would develop into a great style.

Check for the batman graphic novel 'Arkham Asylum' drawn by Dave Mckean.

[Ahcri]

Cos: I actually did imitate Dean Mckean's style before, I really like the dark atmosphere and the colour scheme.

Mr. Lonely: That's great, did you do it yourself?

[SolarC]

Ahcri, your piece has great drama. Don't worry about the people who doesn't understand abstract art. Keep up the good work!

It's the same thing with many styles of art,
like architechture for an example. Most people doesn't get it and they are very eager to call good work shit. They can not tune up with the art, because it's abstract. Mostly, in my opinion, because they don't want to spend enough time with the work of art to get their own imagination moving, which all the abstract art requires.

.SolarC

[Tarandon]

"It's Hard on you I know
Tuesda(y)" Did the y fall off?


I like it. Thanks for posting.

[Ahcri]

Hey, how did you know? Well, I guess it's pretty obvious.
No, the y didn't fall off. It's just my stupid attempt to play around with words. Tuesday without y means this day will never end. It was drawn on a tuesday.

[kahboom]

Alright. My silence ends here. I've been lurking around the boards for the last four months, trying to get a feel for the ettiquette (or lack thereof sometimes), the types of pieces posted, and the types of responses the submissions garner. Lay of the land, so to speak.

The skill-levels of posters here vary greatly from total n00bs to revered, demi-god status artists who deserve all the credit that is heaped on them. one presumes the reason all these people come here is to share art, get a name for themselves, have fun, get better... <sarcasm> Oops did I say get better? That might involve getting constructive criticism!!! Wow, I don't know if we can handle that around here. </sarcasm>

Seriously though, some people don't seem to "Get It" around here... In any case, I don't think anyone should need to feel ill at ease posting anything that isn't a robot, a knight with a dripping sword, or a nearly-naked vampiress with tits the size of melons. Thanks for the post Ahcri- Despite some comments, many appear to have appreciated it.

Ahcri- your piece is interesting to me because it seems to want to resolve from the abstract into something more real- that is, it makes me look harder for what it might be. This makes it a more accessible abstract piece than most. Your strokes are expressive, but the washes seem to get a little too uniform... Maybe more contrast or shapes with volume in the bottom half of the piece? The quality of the inks reminds me a bit of an artist by the name of Jean Jansem... check him out.

To those who think it's "crap", you're certainly entitled to your opinions, but it would be nice if you stated why you felt that way. Then maybe your comments would be useful, and not just amount to ad hominem attacks... less noise, more signal.

[Tarandon]

Well said.

Edit: "Oh hehe, I saved the image and inverted it, the letters came right out at me " I like that idea of the day lasting for ever.

[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Tarandon ]

[12345]

WOW, is this the reason why you keep doing abstract art? To hide your weak skill at drawing?




[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Mr. Lonely ]

[Ahcri]

Mr. Lonely: Why, that piece was done in 1997. And posting something that old and insult me with it was uncalled for. Why do you insist on doing this? Do I owe you money or something?

[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: Ahcri ]

[faustgfx]

didn't bother to read most of the thread 'cos it smells of flaming..

anyway, i liked that pic up there in the first post. 's all.

[Ahcri]

I guess I should be happy, for this is the largest amount of attention I've ever gotten in this forum. My old topics are "Text Drawings" or something to that effect and they don't attract much attention. But this topic says "Experimental Ink Drawing", and whoever clicked on it should expect something radical or they could bitch about it.

For me, I don't think this picture I posted here is "radical" at all.

It was experimental for me. I know it probably wouldn't have much significance even in my local art scene, but it was exactly what I planned to do, I executed it with a lot of emotions. I didn't like it very much at the beginning, but it seems like the more you flame the more I like it. Now I totally love this piece. Thanks?

Sorry if I didn't respond to all the positive feedbacks. Immature people just bugs me.

[faustgfx]

you have to remember that if you aren't mullins or whomever here, you will get either ignored or flamed.. no matter how much in jest you do it or how good it is or how it was made or whatever. (=

[Victor Villan]

I took out the text and moved thing around a bit, what do you think?

[replicant]

Well I gotta say something here, opinions are opinions, but because you don't like a piece of art someone created doesn't mean you should just say.. i hate your art and it looks like crap. ok witht hat said, i like it, it reminds me of something that would be on the cover of a sandman comic.



Keep it up, and yes india ink IS fun.

replicant

and to Mr. Lonely, i'm guessing your nick name is what it is, because of your blatent lack of social skills. I guess when you turn at least 16 you'll pick up on some. Oh that was just childish of me, my apologies. Good Day!