[jerO]

I don't know that you guys need to worry about who is or isn't in the first "fifteen". Do the work and send it to him. I'd imagine that "signing up" was more of a "do what i say here and send me the results" thing than saying "me too" in the thread.

i know if i've got time later today i'll give it a shot.

[cybertoker2001]

Damn! I'm waaaaaaaaayyyyyy too late. But, I'll follow along here anyway.
I've done a few exercises like this before. This should be fun.

When I get a free second I'll take a crack at it and post it here for critique.

CT2001

[EviLToYLeT]

*nods head*

Nice to see you in here again spooge. And starting up these drawing practices again. =)

Anyway, looks like i'm one of those unlucky 4985 eh?

Stating the obvious: I think 15 is a good amount of people to look at. Everyone should be following along, even if they're not getting professionally critiqued. Just look at the pictures that were critiqued, compare them to yours, read comment, fix fix fix.

*laughs stupidly and runs off*

[Anthony]

You know I'm in if you want me(you and Fred helped me so much in the past as I improved 1000% in painting). My background is in 3d, so I'm gonna try the assignment here regardless. Great you're doing this Spooge, enjoying Hawaii?

Welp, here's mine. It was fun figuring out the shadows, I'm glad I did. I shouldn't have shaded the ground around the front cube's bottom edges, that looks lame!

I wish I had gotten a less "dynamic" cube set, these ones are so distorted.

[ October 14, 2001: Message edited by: Anthony ]

[CapnPyro]

people read the whole post, eh?

quote:

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Originally posted by spooge demon
I will make up a page that has each person�s drawing and crits. Maybe they can be discussed in this thread. If you are not in the group I am critiquing, post here to get some feedback.

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[Bishop_Six]

I'll try this out. I'm glad to see someone doing something so constructive, because non-constructiveness is no good. No good, I say!

[CapnPyro]

sounds great, if yall noticed he said if you didnt make th ecut you can post yours here to get some feedback. at any rate, it's great that you'e doing this and i'll be sure to follow along. btw, you ever consider teaching a class at associates in art (in sherman oaks)?

[nil900]

It's me again. I found out how to get the hight of the second cube (I was just to stupid). If anybody has the same problem I'll be able to explain now .

Spooge: Are the files listed in your incoming section when transfered? I just tried to send a file but it did't work I think. The file did't apear in incoming. Did you get it? Sorry it's the first time I use ftp .

[dr . bang]

i'm in!!!!!!!! You remmebered me right spooge? I still kept all the notes you gave me And i praticed alot since.

edit: I forgot to thank you for doing this Anyway, thanks so much!

edit2: I guess i didnt make it, but i also come up with this idea for the people who didnt make the first 15 post. How about give some of them a mark grades instead of any critique at all , like

A - Excellent
B - Very Good
C - Average
D - Need more pratice
E - Need alot of improvement
F - I hate you

[ October 13, 2001: Message edited by: dr . bang ]

[HellSpawn]

Heya spooge,

Being the idiot student I've always been in the past I just realized that after uploading my first assignment I was to make the cubes the same size. (please feel free to slap my hands with a very large ruler) I'll correct the mistake asap. Thanks for holding these lessons sponge.

- Shawn

[Weeks]

Ohhh. Interesting
Count me In..

Weeks

[cyBeAr]

I think I figured out how to get the height of the "second non-parallel" cube right.

[nil900]

I just did a freehand file including an explaination how to get the cubes with the mentioned tutorial. If anybody is interested tell me and I'll post it.
cyBeAr: you don't need it anymore?

[cyBeAr]

Wouldn't hurt seeing it to know if you used the same approach as I did.

[xXxPZxXx]

nil900 I would love to see it. My image is posted up above a little bit and I have to say that the cubes aren't exactly the same size... erm they are both not cubes even.

Trying to soak up these lessons as much as possible!

-PZ-

[HellSpawn]

Hey Spooge,

I've been beating my head over this perspective thing for hours now.... I have a few questions... Are you using 2 horizon lines?

I amtempted disecting your example. It looks like your using 2 horizon lines with 4 perspective vanishing points.

I attempted to follow that example... I made the two boxes on seporate angles but for some reason it just looks all wrong.

I'll upload my sketch for you. Please verbally blast me if possible to tell me how wrong I am ;-) hehe...

- Shawn

[burn0ut]

First, id just thank spooge for gettin this started again, last time i never really participated but i did go outside and draw a cube i made out of bristolboard..


2nd, ill give myself a few critiques, I 'think' the tops are too dark, the cubes arnt exactly perfect, i got alittle lazy i think.
uh ill leave the rest up to the demon or anyone else...
edit: oh yea is this supposed to be natural or artifical light/?

[ October 14, 2001: Message edited by: burn0ut ]

[Anthony]

Burnout...are your cubes..aliasing? =] I ended up using a sort of close spotlight for mine, although I'd be lieing if I said I knew what was gonna pop out of where I placed the light. I just wanted the shadow to fall there on the other cube.

[Mime]

I'm not quite sure it worked, i uploaded my file to the FTP like you said Spooge, but i cant see it ...

I post it here too in case ...


the crop is crappy, i only saw that the file needed to be 600*400 after drawing it, so i had to show some of the "sky"

[burn0ut]

Anthony, hmmm aliasing? not exactly sure what you mean, but when i used the selection tool i took off anti-aliasing because it was turning out to soft on the edges.
i guess you mean those little cuts in the cube, the left one looks like i didnt go straight down when selecting! looks like i did that on the other one too in the shadow.. bleh!

the top of the right one is all jagged for the same reason, i guess i shouldnt have unchecked it.

yea i didnt know where my shadow's were going to go either, now that i see it again, it looks like the right shadow is too light?
edit: mime yours look great! (to me )
edit2: Hmm I dont understand what aspect ratio of 2 to 3 means spooge. Also i didnt realize there was a size limit, but mine isnt on your server anyways...(but if you want to save it your going to have to rename it to .jpg)

[ October 14, 2001: Message edited by: burn0ut ]

[cyBeAr]

spooge: I can't seem to access the ftp://ftp.goodbrush.com/incoming/ (in case you've sent out ftp info by email to the first 15 please re-send since my sijun account pointed to old email until today).

[lel]

I have a problem, and I don't know if I should post the pic here or upload it to spooge... (so I put it here)

My left cube doesn't look cubic! I constructed it "by the book" (that web page), and I thought I was just seeing wrong. When I began shading, it became even more obvious. What's wrong? Or isn't it?

cube construction

[cyBeAr]

lel: hmm, can't really make out if it looks wrong or not.

Half-size ver of mine (not entirely up to date)until I can get something up on spooge's ftp:



Please comment if you think you know what you're talking about since I don't. Find it hard to do the "interiors" of the shadows and the reflective lighting.

[burn0ut]

lel, i had the exact same problem, im not sure how to do that with 2 cubes, so i just eyeballed mine (thats why they look alittle funky.)

[Anthony]

I think it has to do with how close to your cubes your camera is in relation to how big the cubes are. The farther your camera, the wider the perspective points, and the less distorted the cubes look.

[Hunter]

Here's my attempt

[Ben Barker]

If people are having problems with the construction method on Francis Tsai's page, there is another less complicated yet less exact method to contruct cubes in two point perspective.

Draw the horizon and set your vanishing points (they are really close in this example just for clarity). Draw the leading edge of your cube, and take the top and bottom points of the leading edge back to the vanishing points.
Then bisect those angles exactly in half (done here in red lines). If you have a protractor or something this is easy, otherwise eyeball it. You know you have it correct when the points where the red lines intersect the top and bottom edges line up vertically. Use those points to draw the back vertical edges. Then draw lines to the vanishing points to complete the back edges.

Hope that made sense.

[a_sh]

aw crap. i'm too late...
well, maybe it's for the better. i probably don't have enough time on my hands for it anyway.

i'll follow it closely here though =)

spooge demon: thank you for taking the time to help us beginners! =)

[morphgfx]

@shawncollette:
there is always only one horizon line in a painting (the eyelevel).
but as you've noticed, spooge uses 4 vanishing points, 2 for each cube. don't forget that his cubes are NON parallel, so their parallel edges (2 groups of prallels on each cube) converge (is this a word? no time to take out dicitionary... ) in one point each. makes 4 vanishing points! i hope this is understandable...

[cyBeAr]

shawncollette: if you read the tutorial that spooge provided a link to you can use that method to draw two cubes with non-parallel sides in perspective. What you might have problems with is to get the height of the second cube.

What I did to solve this was to draw a line (in the top view) between one edge of the first cube to one on the other cube. Then make a line that is parallel with the line between the two edges but this time start from the station point and keep on going until you cross the picture plane. By drawing a vertical line from this crossing down to the horizon you get a vanishing point you can use to determine the height of the second cube in the perspective view. Draw two lines that go from this vanishingpoint and past the top and bottom of the edge that you chosed for the first line in the top view of the cube you've been able to draw in the perspective view. Where these two lines cross the vertical line that mark the chosen edge of the second cube in the perspective view you got the top and bottom of that edge.

This might not make much sense without a picture and I have no idea if it's the easiest sollution to the problem (would be grate to see how nil900 solved it).