Sijun Forums :: View topic - sijun lessons - first part

paltsi · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 3:28 pm

here is 2 of mine in b&w...
better than the coloured one (imo) http://gamma.nic.fi/~paltsi/sijunlesson2.jpg http://gamma.nic.fi/~paltsi/sijunlesson2b.jpg

Termite · junior member Member # Joined: 07 Oct 2001 Posts: 20

Here's a b&w version I made.

[ArcanE] · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 5:05 pm

Here's my try:

I messed up the orange color reflection on the box a little bit but overall it worked out nice i think

mOO · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 6:14 pm

moooo

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MoleculeMan · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 6:26 pm

I am praying that the compression didnt screw it up too much.

jake

Lynx: · junior member Member # Joined: 07 Oct 2001 Posts: 2

Does anyone have some tips for me, how to smoodge the highlights and shadows ?
the edges of the shadow on the cylinder looks a little bit sharp.

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nil900 · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 11:03 pm

My b&w image is done now but I still can't post on my freeservers site

.Is there anybody who would post my pic if I send it by e-mail? Or does anybody know another good free server page?

gekitsu: Where are you from? Wenn ich 'n Fischkopp bin was bist du denn dann so 'n Lerderhosenfreak?

Freddio: awesome pic. I just have one question: does the backside of the cylinder need some orange colour reflected from that orange object?

paltsi · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 11:17 pm

and mine...

That reflection really sucks... I know that it shouldn't be like that. But I don't have time to do it anymore.

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paltsi · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 11:18 pm

and i forgot the sky =)

laslauk · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 11:35 pm

Here's my try, I don't like working with mouse, but I'm counting on it that this sort of practise is useful..

palladia mors · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 11:43 pm

Democritus · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 1:03 am

wow. so many people trying. I love that.

SO erm. all we neeed now is a teacher, right

X_X

Bg · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 2:29 am

I didn't participate last time when there was an exercise similar to this, but I thought to give it a shot now:

m703-324 · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 7:40 am

i would like to hear what spooge has to say about all these pictures... i hope he's the teacher

Aimok · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 9:25 am

nil900:

Do u have a new Mail-adress?
i have send u an Email-

CU

nil900 · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 12:38 pm

Hi Aimok! Sorry my e-mail adresse listed in my profile isn't working anymore and I don't really know if the new one works. Try to send a mail to [email protected]. and tell me in this post if you did it please. I'll write if I got it then! Sorry there's no easier way at the moment.

It works I just got a mail! Feel free to write me as much mails as you want to.

spooge: Do you wnat to give us some crits? Most people in here would be happy if you do I think. But I and probably all the others don't want to force you. Do it only if you got time and if you would enjoy it at least at little bit. Maybe there wasn't enough of a structure in the way I started this one? Because off all the different collour and b&w pics?
Please just tell us if you want to do it or not. Thank you.

Nils

Hope this wasn't impolite.

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eric_morrell · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:02 pm

I really like this whole idea of doing studies together but I really don't care for this one. I just seems like having the cylinder and prism be metal is antiproductive (is that a word?) anyway because when I think of relating metal to a painting I think of trying to make it look hard and shiny or rusty and shiny. If there is no atmosphere in front of the objects then what is it going to be reflecting? This would work alot better if we could just define the objects like draw an apple with these colors sitting on a table with blue in the background or something. Just something that has more precise properties then shiny metal objects that aren't chrome. But please don't think I'm naysaying I think this is a great idea and I think we should do a new one right away. Spoonge any thoughts?
Eric

burn0ut · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:32 pm

he's not saying paint metal rectangles n squares, he's saying matte rectangles and squares.

i belive this really helps. even go make a box out of cardboard and tape it together, then go sit outside or something and start drawing.

[ArcanE] · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 3:55 pm

I would really want some "teacher" collect all these pieces and put them on a webpage with constructive comments going with each submission ...

But that would prolly be too much work

root88 · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:19 pm

I got a little sloppy with it. Lots of things to fix here, but I got bored.

Duracel · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 5:09 pm

Great Idea, but here in Germany it is 3am and im to tired to paint now

a3t · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 5:30 pm

Hello. I'm a new member and I'm also fairly new to the world of digital art. I use Photoshop 6.0 and a middle-grade scanner.
Here is my early attempt. I know I need to correct the shadow behind the box, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. This was simply something I spun off before practice today. I was hoping for some information on better smudging and blending techniques so it's more realistic.

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Cicinimo · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 5:31 pm

For what its worth, I beleive this is a very useful 'lesson'. Don't have the time right now to do it, but, I'd disagree that this is a poor way to start a lesson. Not claiming that I know what I'm talking about, but I do know plenty of art teachers use similar teaching meathods for us begining painters.

upabove · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 6:43 pm

Here's my contribution, I think the shadows are out of place. Anyways:

Edit: Thanks, hope this works

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spooge demon · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 8:03 pm

Boy, that's a lotta pictures.

I am not afraid of the work, just that there are too many variables here. It becomes a big chinese puzzle, and the few words I have for each would not make much sense.

Sooo. I think that many here who were not around when this excercise was done before. I think the class I had at art center that did 14 weeks of just this was the most valuble class I had, bar none, no exaggeration. I taught it at AC for a year after I graduated. But like an antibiotic, you have to take the whole bottle, in sequence, to see any benefit at all. A little info out of context can just confuse you more.

Sooo again. I propose I write up the assignment, the way it has been handed down from hallowed antiquity (well, 1960) and each will follow the assignments and go as far as they would like. No jumping ahead. No going on till I say so. If you do, you won't get a crit from me.

But there will be no generic drawing. You have to do that. That is the first step and the most important one.

Hmm there is no need to answer interest here. I assume more than 0 are interested, seeing this thread. But there are 5000 people here. If 50 people do it, I cannot do that many justice. I will limit it to 15, if it is a problem. If you did it before, please refrain and allow others.

any other thoughts on how to make this run smoothly?

MoleculeMan · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 8:14 pm

Maybe you could write up the lessons and handle it like this: The 15 ones that you think should be judged for what ever reasons are the ones you review. Then for the people who don't get chosen or who are not the first 15 to reply or whatever, you could make up a general solution, ie you or someone good with this stuff make up what the set up should look like, and detail the points that are important to realism. That way you could give 15 or so people specialized help, and everyone else some thing to judge the art on thier own with, or something like that heh.

<edit> Whoops i forgot that you said we would have to do the basic drawing. Well then the drawing in the example could be a generic drawing of your choice

</edit>

Jake

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Lev · junior member Member # Joined: 25 Apr 2001 Posts: 48

I like it spooge, I think the people who took part last time shouldn't post again, that doesn't bar them from doing the lesson but since they got their feedback last time they should leave some room for others and pick up what they can off of your advice in the new session (which I'm sure will be most valuable even to those not participating).

Baldie · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2001 11:06 pm

Set up a page where you show some good and some bad drawings done by the 15 ppl in your class. Point out some common misstakes/problems and how to solve them. This way a lot of people can take advantage of the class.. Hmm.. Maybe it's more like a tutorial this way..

nil900 · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2001 12:33 am

Hi Spooge, this is a really generous offer. I just got two more suggestions I want to add to the ones of MoleculeMan. If you choose this people it could be helpfull for the others if these 15 people differ in their way of painting as much as possible. The people watching this surely will find one between these 15 people whos problems are similar to their own then.
The new lesson post shouldn't disapear if the lessons are done on this forum.This will probably also be a very valueable post for the people who register next year. There could be a new lesson section in this forum where also good tutorials could be put,...

Sorry just remembered that this post is probably not the right place for the second point.
Dhab isn't here anyway.

upabove: The link isn't working for me. Try www.freeservers.com as host.

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nickmarksdotcom · member Member # Joined: 17 Feb 2001 Posts: 244

I do beleive you guys are doing this the hard way

Learn to 3D model...Cubes and cylinders are really easy to do with it

hehe...seriously though...painting skills are neccessary in anything you are doing but my advice to those here in this thread is to not forget about all aspects of digital artwork. You never know when it will help you out. 3D really can be a painters best friend.

I did my pic in 3D in 5 min.