[TheMilkMan]

u2art....well since you seem to think im just some idiot off the street....I am actually a pro artist working on one of the biggest games in development. I happen to have worked with a lot of people in the game and art industry. I checked out a lot of colleges before I went to college breifly. Yeah there might be a few more schools out there with some half way decent programs but most artists I have talked to think it was a waste of time ..often showing more skill then there proffesors. I think you are some amature artist who likes to come to sijun to feel like he plays with the big boys ..You have not seen my art because I work 70-80 hr weeks and when I am not working I like to sleep. If you think that someone cannot benefit from 3d skills even someone with isrics talent then you are sadly mistaken there are people out there with the same skills as isric who are not working ...so I suggest you evaluate your opnion a little better since you obviusly like to just open your mouth to make noise...

[roundeye]

Im just glad youre not going to OCAD. you had me worried there for a sec.

i hope theyre able to help you.

and of course, congrats!

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[Chapel]

Congrats Isric! The way you are improving you will be teaching the teachers in no time.

[Ragnarok]

Great Isric
Congrats, you really deserve it, although I think some of the things they will teach you, you will already know them

I guess soon we'll see some of your school projects posted

[Francis]

What college? And are you teaching or taking classes?

There was never any doubt in my mind, bro - congrats.

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[hipmix]

Jesus christ those are awesome!
Congrat dude

[kohse]

Congratulations, I got was accepted to Art Center out of high school but couldn't afford to go. Now I'm stuck financing my wife's
college education. But as soon as she gets a good job I'm going, hope to go in the next year or two. Don't waste the opportunity.

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[Rob M]

Congratulations Isric!
Glad you'll be developing your drawing talent further, not that you have much further to go.

[Flexible Elf]

Congrats Isric!

-Flexible Elf

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[TheMilkMan]

I know this is a special day for you...but everyone gets into art college if they can afford it...known fact kid....Your to good isiric why don't you just skip it and get a real job in the game industry. I am sure someone out there would give you a job texturing to start probebly....I mean I went to art school for about 2 months and relized that every idiot there got an A if they completed the asssignment... If you really want to learn something do an internship at Electronic arts or Nintendo as far as I am concernd the only good art school here in the states maybe even the world is DIGIPEN & KUBERT ..cause if your not good you dont get in...and even if you do you wont stay in ...
seriously kid if you want a deffinate future in art then I would try getting into one of those 2 schools...I meet people all the time from Kubert and they are always successful. Just a heads up for you. Congrates!!!!

[Red Leader]

As another 70-80 hr work weeker, I feel the need to throw in my own two cents here, so here goes...

Milkman... Aw, come on, Isric's going to art school is an enormous oppourtunity that shouldn't be missed. You like game design, but how do you know what else you might have liked instead? Shit you work 80 hs a week, how are you supposed to develop new skills and styles? Who knows, maybe you would have been happier painting watercolors of barns or something for a living...you'll never know 'cause you don't have the time to sit on your ass and experiment. That's what art school is for. And even if art school sucks as far as teaching goes, it is a great place to teach yourself stuff if you have the right attitude. No offence man, but school's good for learnin' I'm trying like hard to teach myself Painter right now, I just don't have time (it's 1 am and I'm still working)
That said...
Isric...People are telling you in this thread, and I can't stress enough...
DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR PROFS TOO MUCH.
If they really knew what the hell they were talking about, they'd be successful artists making shitloads of money and getting respect. instead, they teach.
I can say this with some authority, 'cause I taught at Red River college for a while (laugh) and left to make shitloads of money and get respect.
So if you have some bonehead illustration prof who tries to get you to do nothing but New Yorker cartoons or something, ignore him and get bad grades. Who cares about grades? Nobody. Portfolio is everything. Focus on memorizing Loomis, and study perspective books until you see lines dancing before your eyes on the street. You have a kick ass style, and I think you already have the attitude I'm talking about from what you said in an earlier post, just keep it up!
Remember to experiment. Diversify. Learn how to paint with oils. Learn 3D texture making skills. Paint some barns. Have fun...once you're pro, art becomes "work" a lot of the time.


Oops, forgot to add...
Yeah, you may be too good for that school. Although, some good artists have come out of there. Try Sheradon, or better yet the Kubert school, all my friends who went there hated it, but now live in solid gold houses and have the skills to pay the bills.

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[CaptainCool]

Congratz, you really deserve it, those sketches really rock, I like your mature Disney Cartoony Style, Its Awsome..

[Liquid!]

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Originally posted by Red Leader:
That's what art school is for. And even if art school sucks as far as teaching goes, it is a great place to teach yourself stuff if you have the right attitude. No offence man, but school's good for learnin'

Well, I'd say the advantage of art school is really two-fold: A. Hopefully you are blessed with great teachers that are able to impart knowledge on you, and make you think in directions and ways you may not have thought of, and B. You are surrounded by other artists. Quite frankly, that's probably the better of the two.

That said...
Isric...People are telling you in this thread, and I can't stress enough...
DON'T LISTEN TO YOUR PROFS TOO MUCH.
If they really knew what the hell they were talking about, they'd be successful artists making shitloads of money and getting respect. instead, they teach.
I can say this with some authority, 'cause I taught at Red River college for a while (laugh) and left to make shitloads of money and get respect.

Pretty much EVERY artist I know that is worth a *crap* has donated their time to teaching in one way or another. So I couldn't disagree more with that. Heck, Ron Lemen [who stops by here every once in a while] teaches. Quite frankly is not only incredibly gifted, but makes a point to try to help others advance in their own aspirations. Seegmiller is incredily gifted and I believe teaches as well... There are other examples I know of, but those people don't frequent these boards.[/b]

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[Cos]

Congratulations isric! (although I really am nor suprisesd You are extremely talented for your age, and I only see you getting much much better and being a huge talent in the art world with art school, so good move man.

Milkman - how can you be telling the guy to skip school and not develop his art skills?? definetely be the wrong move.

[Red Leader]

Liquid...
Hmmm. My post came off heavy handed. Still...

I agree that artists learning and experimenting together are one of the biggest advantages to art school. No argument there.

Yes there are some excellent schools with very respectable profs. I myself have had one or two excellent profs...I'm sure ACAD has some fine profs... but I'll bet some are run of the mill. I'm just trying to warn against listening to the career teachers, that may not be the best people to model, who tend to push students to ape their styles too much.
You are out in California, which has some phenomenal art schools, with high standards and a large talent pool to draw from for teachers. ACAD may not have the teacher resorces to draw from that exist over there, that's all I'm saying. I don't mean to offend anyone out there reading this who does teach, because if you're on this board, you obviously care about what you're doing. Sadly, this is not true of every prof.
I had a poor experience at college taking advertising Illustration, and missed out on developing my figure drawing skills and painting skills because of lousy profs who steered us towards abstract design and typographic solutions to problems.

*teaching is the best way to learn*

[TheMilkMan]

Ughhhh sorry I have an opnion. Some of you people are so one tracked.....anyways I am not telling isric to skip his education. I am just saying for him to get it somewhere that he will learn the most. I suggested some good schools. I did not go to art school but I did get a game job( because I had the talent to begin with ) and hey this might not be what I am doing in 10 years but I can tell you I learned more in one year then most art students learn in 4-5 years . I can take the skills I have now and paint barns( if that is what I wanted to do )...or do what ever cause I learned from pros who do it ever day. I am sure that if someone wanted to learn digital painting and they had the oppertunity to be taught by spooge himself or joachime or who ever...would you tell them to pass that up and go to art school cause they might want to paint barns ??? All I am saying is get the best education you can... I mean I can tell you right now he would learn 10X more in the electronic arts intern program for example then he would at any college... you have real dead lines and real expectations to perform. I think anyone can get an education at art college but I think someone should weigh all there options. I can tell you this though. I was giving isric a compliment because to tell you the truth most people dont have the talent to even think about skipping art college. I think isric does and he can get a real education in the real world if he wanted that. Most artists out there who think they are artists need that basic education ..many people on this board who post all the time need that basic education....you wont see me telling very many people to skip art school but when I think someone already has most of the skills they would learn there then I suggest a more advanced approach. Just my opnion and I am allowed to have one!!!!


I would agree with you Red Leader ( below comment ) I think that those are probebly the best things to do cause hey...maybe you wont be the worlds best animator or 3d artist..maybe you will be the most gifted barn painter ever....a good art school does give choices as long as you are actually learning something and not just getting grade cause you showed up to class on time .


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[Red Leader]

Milkman... I do respect your opinion, and I do see what you're saying. I would like to see Isric take a more advanced approach too...I think he's probably too skilled for ACAD. That's what I was trying to say.

If a young artist has a choice in where they go, I'd rate their options as follows:

Best: enroll at a top college (Sheradon, Kubert, etc.) Good profs and skilled students = growth
good: intern at a diverse top notch art field company
not so good: enroll at a no-name college. Run of the mill profs and ok students means you have to do a lot of self study.

I seem to have ticked everyone off with my earlier post, and reading it, i can see that it was harsh. Sorry for the offence. I guess I was hammering to hard.

Isric...I'm not saying ACAD is a bad school. it looks ok from what I've seen on their web site, I'm just saying keep your head and pursue your goals.

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[micke]

Congratulations!
Isric, your sketches it's just to much for me to handle...I go home now and try and try and try. Thank you! It's great to see such good work and get inspired.

being a game artist could be good for a start, but i think your'e too good to be working there.
edit: typo..

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[Bizarde]

Congrats you big boy!!
You are soo talented than the examination was just a simply formality, i'm sure about this

i'm happy for you.

~bizarde

[Spooky]

Congrats ol' chap! No doubtedly they didn't even think twice! You going to ACA in Calgary, Emily Carr? Where to? I almost attended one of those myself about 6 years ago, but got into multimedia and have been working ever since. Haha...I guess this means you can probably disregard my e-mail. We want to see more while you go to school though!

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[tanis]

Congrats Isric! You really deserve it! Great sketch as all of your usual work!


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[tzekin]

Congratulations!!
I'm applying to ACAD too, after discovering that OntarioCollege of A&D doesn't give a shit about European applicants. I hope to receive the same letter you did, ofcourse with my name on it. :-))

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[Oblagon]

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Originally posted by TheMilkMan:
I know this is a special day for you...but everyone gets into art college if they can afford it...known fact kid....Your to good isiric why don't you just skip it and get a real job in the game industry. Congrates!!!!

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You throw advices left and right but i've never seen you post even one pic. Maybe you should get on IRC.

[Liquid MTL]

yo man thats great that you got into yer art school i just finished mine at sheridan here in ontario.... yer style like most have probly said is very disney like (cept way cooler) have you ever thought about animation?? sheridan has agreat animation program you should check it out... also i forgot who said not to go to OCAD but i have a question what is it like there? like is no good?? id like to know thanks !! great stuff man and yer only 18 =O hahah laters!

Liquid MeTaL PS ummm about that teacher thing ya well i agree with both yous cause some of my teachers (one of em) arent a very good artist but they know there stuff go figure! lates

[Chin]

Congratulations Isric, your sketches are an inspiration to me too.

*coughandaconstantnaggingreminderofmyownprocrastinationcough*

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Micke wrote:
being a game artist could be good for a start, but i think your'e too good to be working there.

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What the hell? How are games any less of a respectable art form than movies/paintings/whatever?

What an ignorant outlook. Especially considering how graphically advanced games are nowadays.

[Holly Jolly]

I love your drawings. And just wondering since I know nothing about colleges, do you have to have good grades, or good art?

[TheMilkMan]

Yeah I agree with chin ....if anything games are mnore difficult then movies or commerials. You dont have anything but time against you when your working in film Time and a budget...in games you have extreme limitations....I mean anybody can make a good high poly model...but try making a good quake model or similar..not so easy to work in low poly budgets...Now high poly animation on the othet hand is a real stinker.

[Flinthawk]

Chin: wouldn't go calling micke ignorant...he is in the game industry, done some cool stuff already. I am too and I'd agree with micke that Isric has so much going for him that starting in the game industry isn't the best route, though a possible route nonetheless.

Saying that, I agree with what milkman is saying about how it does take a different kind of talent to create stuff with all the limitations imposed on us game artists at times.

-Flinthawk

[Icannon]

i'd have to agree for the most part even tho i have 0 experience working for a game or movie company. games are becoming very, very nifty as far the creative\visual aspect goes. it's an excellent way to see things (your ideas\creations) come to life. the competition is fierce and so if you have the passion and skills, then i'm sure it's quite satisfying. movies are cool too, but not every movie is a grand sci fi epic that will grant you artistic freedom (starwars).. isrics art could fall well under the game or movie category. games -> concept, covers, ads, backgrounds, animations (monkey island, haha). whenever i look at it, i want to see it move.. and so a place like disney could be very fitting :] hehe.

[Chin]

Ok replace "ignorant" with "limited" if it makes you feel better, I'm not out to make enemies...

He was just making a pretty broad generalization about an entire industry as it relates to art and talent that I feel is quite inaccurate.