[Bugscratch]

I just started rating the first bunch of randomly selected people 1 star. So if you got rated 1 star, that was likely me. Don't be offended, it's not about your personality. It's just a protest against this system of categorizing people into 5 different classes that determine whether someone's opinion are worth a fuck or not. That is some nazi shit, deciding which people are worth more or less than others, and it doesn`t solve any problem at all, it will cause more harm than it will do good, it will just create hostility and suspicion between the forum members.
If I have a problem with someone, I will tell the man so, instead of hiding and rating him down anonymously.
The rating system also discourages free speech, since voicing your opinion which differs from that of the general masses will get you a lower rating.

I will rate more people down when I find the time. Anyone who wants to may join my frenzy, any help is appreciated, and anyone who's got a different opinion may now start rating my ass down. Like I care.

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FUCK FAST FOOD. There's a reason why McDonald's burgers are cheap.
They SUCK.

[Enayla]

This, of course, is up to you.

I honestly think it's one of the most childish things I've seen anyone do on the forum lately.

I can't care less about the rating system - but quite honestly... why can't you just shut your own rating down and ignore it?

Is it that hard just to "Okay, so it sucks - but it's their business if they want to care"?

Hrm.

Probably the most pathetic protest I've seen so far.

[Enayla]

Edit: (Nevermind)

[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: Enayla ]

[fireheart]

I wondered how come I was rated one star after only my first post. Now I know.

[Bugscratch]

I think not. I think having the rating system abolished is not only important to me but to keeping the forum in general alive. It's sorta like a protest against a stupid law that maybe won't affect yourself but other people. I don't think it would be OK to just ignore this.

Oh yeah and this is not only intended as a form of protest but also as a way of saying "Yeah I'm weird" meaning that I'll occassionally do something that appears to be utter crap to someone else just because I feel like doing it. And I don't think it hurts anyone here. If it hurts someone I think he/she needs a life.

[Bugscratch]

fireheart: Don't mind it. As I said it's nothing personal. If you don't want it showed, just turn it off in your profile....

Enayla: What's nevermind ? I want to know

[fireheart]

I wasn't offended just surprised to have recived a vote so quickly.

[SlightlyTwisted]

You know... that's the most childish thing I've seen all day.

Look - I don't particularly like the idea of ratings. But so what? If I don't like it, I ignore it... I go merrily on with life as if it weren't even there.

But having a temper tantrum and doing this to everyone else just because you don't like it is such an act of utter immaturity that I can barely be bothered to reply to this thread.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is... why can't you just ignore the thing? Turn yours off and get on with life. Why do you have to ruin it for everyone else? Who knows, maybe somebody out there likes it. Personally, I'm neither afraid of showing what other people think of me, nor am I going to be giving out any ratings. They're meaningless and silly, but that's no reason to be a total prick to everyone.

[Enayla]

In other words - you're saying that your opinion matters more than the opinion of others. You want to shut the voting system down, so you'll spit out a number of random insults (which is what it is) to show this?

It wasn't enough to just say that you dislike the voting system?

I dislike the voting system. I think it's ridiculous. That doesn't mean I'll go about playing little games like a kid.

This is like going down a school corridor writing "you suck!" on all the lockers in protest of the grading system in school... please. I want it gone, too. But there are more mature ways of doing this. Like arguing for your case. Writing Dhabih. Talking to people. Tossing out a random number of bad ratings? Like I said...


The nevermind was just that: nevermind.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not actually upset :)

Slightly... bothered, but not upset.

[Impaler]

What the hell would that prove? That YOU don't like the rating system? Big deal.

Derating everyone isn't going to do anything but get you hated and banned. Duh.

Come on. Put some more thought in your FIGHT AGAINST THE MAN, MAN! IF you really want someone, namely Dhabih or Sumaleth to listen to you, then just make intelligent posts, listing the downfalls of ratings.

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I honestly think it's one of the most childish things I've seen anyone do on the forum lately

Enayla rocks.

[SlightlyTwisted]

I just thought I'd add something else... If people honestly don't like me, then fair enough, and in that case, I want them to rate me down. Because I'd like all my votes, be they good or bad, to be meaningful.

But to get a negative vote just because someone I've never so much as shared two words with has something against something I have nothing to do with is just so pathetically and pointlessly insulting.

The others are spot on. If you don't like something, take your problems to Dhab. Who knows, if you go about it well, others, myself included, might back you up. But when you act like this, all you do is make enemies on both sides of the rating fence.

[Bugscratch]

Oh well people....if you think my actions are bad and you think the rating system helps, rate me down and see how much good it does.

If you agree that the rating system is pointless and should be abolished, then I don't see the problem.

You say you don't care about your rating, but still it seems you feel the necessity to protest against hilarious / crappy / childish /callitwhatyouwill ratings given by me.

And Enayla, I'm not saying that my opinion matters more than anyone else's. There are some times in the life in a human when he's so convinced of his opinion that he will try to enforce his POV against all resistance. Of course he (and I'm aware of this too) will have to face the consequences, including possible exclusion from society (or rather the society of the majority).

It is open to discussion whether my way of conveying my POV in this matter is correct or bad or childish or whatever, but doing stuff like that is part of my character and there's really no need to take it as seriously as some of you seem to do since it's not meant that seriously.

It's the same as with anarchists. Tell me how many of them really want a total anarchy. I think most of them are very well aware of the sacrifices they would have to bring in a society without a government, but they exaggerate their POV in an effort to get the message across.
That's exactly what I'm doing here.

[Enayla]

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If it hurts someone I think he/she needs a life.

If this upsets you so much that you would go about doing something so time-consuming and bothersome, Bugscratch... doesn't what you said above apply to you?

[Bugscratch]

Nope, as I said I will rate people down when I find the time...meaning I might click on random persons in a thread that I just read.

And as I said doing crap is part of my life. A way of having fun.

[Bugscratch]

Oh yeah Enayla...as for the example with the lockers in school....would you be offended by a "You suck" on your locker in school if there was one on every single locker ? I think you`d just know that the writer had a bad day, maybe curse at him for damaging school property and go on....

[SlightlyTwisted]

And reacting to the posts of inconsiderate, selfish fools is my way of having fun.

You're absolutely right, I have no need to take your nonsense seriously; no more than you have need to lash out at everyone else for something they have no control over.

You can dress it up in self justifying words all you like, but this does not change the fact that you just launched an attack on several members of the forum because of a feature they have nothing to do with, and you've stated you'll continue to do the same to random people if and when you can be bothered.

What's next, mailbombing random users because you don't like the new graemlins?

[Enayla]

Yes, Bugscratch... I would be angry. I'd be angry because I dislike people who can't behave.

People who behave like that make it more difficult for the ones who have real arguments. After an incident like that, the chance that anyone would listen to the kids with actual opinions and the ability to put those opinions forward would be FAR less than it had been before.

It would annoy me - not because my locker would've been ruined, but because of the other things that had been. Do you think I care what rating I get? I don't. I care about the way you go about showing your opinion.

[Bugscratch]

SlightlyTwisted, I hereby declare that I have

just launched an attack on several members of the forum because of a feature they have nothing to do with, and I have stated I'll continue to do the same to random people if and when I can be bothered.

I never denied this and I never will.

I will not mailbomb any users because I don't like the new graemlins because graemlins and mailbombings have nothing to do with each other, while rating systems and ratings have.

Enayla, I guess there's a difference in our character then. I like letting go from time to time, doing stuff that doesn't fit into what the society normally defines as right, wrong, good, bad, sane or insane.

That said, I'm going to sleep now. I'm already waiting for the flames in this thread when I'm back tomorrow.

[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: Bugscratch ]

[Enayla]

Yes,

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there's a difference in our character

But it has nothing to do with going with, or against, society.

G'night, though, and sleep tight - I'm about to head off to bed as well =)

[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: Enayla ]

[SlightlyTwisted]

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Originally posted by Bugscratch:
Enayla, I guess there's a difference in our character then. I like letting go from time to time, doing stuff that doesn't fit into what the society normally defines as right, wrong, good, bad, sane or insane.

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*LMAO* I'm sorry, but neither Enayla nor myself are anywhere near what society considers normal or acceptable. Somehow I knew you'd climb atop that particular high horse. "Woo, look at me, I'm raging against the machine, running with scissors, driving without a seatbelt, man! You guys are sheep!" Could you be any more clich�?

Running off the track does not equal being a thoughtless dolt. Being unique does not equal being a rude prick. Being your own person does not equal pissing on other people's ratings.

There were two ways you could have gone about this; the mature way and the less than mature way, and that's the difference between us and you.

Not only did you choose the kid's way, you chose the slow as frozen feces way; Do you really thing Dhab gives a flying fuck if myself or anyone else has -1 vote? Not likely, I think. T'would have been much quicker, much clearer, much more to the point, and much more likely to get the desired result to just write him an email than this so-called protest.

[Ian]

There are people dying in the middle east. We're getting a lot done here.

[Socar MYLES]

The only thing in this thread that I find disturbing is the suggestion that this forum will be torn apart by those little star things.

Really.

Sure.

Do you think spooge demon will get upset if he sees only three or four stars beside his name? How about Green Peach? Or Enayla? Or anyone who really comes here to talk about digital art?

Hell, no. Speaking only for myself, I'm not even sure what my rating is right now. Don't notice, don't care. When I read people's posts, I don't check their stars to make sure they're worth reading.

This isn't worth having a snit-fit over.

[Affected]

Socar speaks the truth. If someone is stupid enough to form an opinion on a member based on a little gif, it's their own loss. What do you think you've accomplished, bugscratch?

[SlightlyTwisted]

Right on, Socar!

Er... actually, that was exactly my point, before I got carried away in this whole mess. *hangs his head in shame*

The ratings just don't matter. I just don't see why everyone's getting all worked up over something so small and meaningless.

Just ignore the bloody things! Is it really that difficult?

[Impaler]

Ian: What are you doing about the Middle East? And just because somebody decided to shoot the fuck out of each other doesn't mean we have to drop everything and pick sides. :p

Bugscratch: You've failed to establish anything. At all. Not why rating systems are bad. Not why derating anyone would accomplish anything.

All you've done is claimed your separation from societal morals. Yet, doing something purposely (is that a word?) bad by society's morals, like lowering ratings, negates everything you said and stood for.

I'll say it once, i'll say it a thousand times.

THINK.

[Bugscratch]

SlightlyTwisted, could I be more clich� ? I don't know. I don't really know you guys here and all that statement was based an was Enayla saying that she didn't like people that can't behave. Now does that sound like "Obey the rules" to you or not ?

Affected, I don't think I have accomplished anything. I could have accomplished something in case I had pulled it through (read more about that further down) and in case it weren't so that 90 % (make it 99) of the forum members didn't accept my silly joke.

Impaler,

Yet, doing something purposely (is that a word?) bad by society's morals, like lowering ratings, negates everything you said and stood for.

Why ?

All that said I have learned something out of this matter. That is not that I was wrong. I knew I was doing something "wrong" measured by general standards right away. I'm still not sure though whether some of the reactions here are appropriate compared to the harm caused by me.
What I've actually learned is something about this place in general, my life etcetera.
That results in my decision to leave this place. I don't know whether I'll be back (For those of you that feel inclined to give me advice like "Fuck off", I don't need it).
This has not only to do with this joke / silly thing / whatever being repelled. That has to do with the fact that I have seen people very well established here do worse things by my measurements and get praise for it.
So I have learned this is no longer my place and thus I'm gone. It's best days are over anyways, and there's no two ways about it. I'm sorry to those that were affected by this, it could have been OK if everyone was affected, now that it's just a small portion I know of course that it sucks. Thanks to everyone who helped me during my time here, I would not be the person I am today without this forum.
Have fun,
Bugscratch

[ April 26, 2001: Message edited by: Bugscratch ]

[faustgfx]

you're hippies. all of you. except socarwheeity and enaylawheeity of course.

[SlightlyTwisted]

*chokes*

A hippy?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[faustgfx]

=)

[S4Sb]

To all of you:

I think Bugscratchs project took the right way. At least it started in the right way.

How to start a revolution:

You can't change things on your own. But you can raise your hand and try to start things get rolling. Bugscratch tried that. He had two Possibilities. He could have either send a mail to Dhabih/Sumaleth or he could start a frenzy the way he did.

Sending an E-mail:
Do you really think that Dhabh would have cared if he sent a mail or not? How many threads have there been during the last few months asking "I sent Dhabih a mail, but he didn't respond! Hello! Are you there?" After the first downtime he spend maybe a day here?! And I don't think that Sumaleth has the ability to change things like that.
As if any of both would care about a single mail like that anyway... there are so many complaints ( about graemlins for example )in both of his threads in digi art discuss. And he replied only once! So why are you surprised if he chose the second way???

Rating Frenzy:
His intention was logical. The more people would act up the higher the chance that things would change. And even if then still none of the admins would have reacted in any way he would have put that function out of order by himself, because everybody would have one star and nobody would give a fuck about that function anymore. Nobody!

Because there ARE people who judge forum-members because of their stars. I myself had to learn that from somebody (ICQ) who I don't want to name here. And I can't believe that he was the only one. He's no stupid nerd without an opinion. But you GET influenced by those ratings. Maybe you are one of those people who don't... at least you believe that.

Remember that guy that had only one star voted by 6 people or so and he had like a hundret posts without any offense in them. He just didn't know why. I think that this person got rated one star by some angry moron. And some other members thought like: "Yeah, that must be someone of those fucking newbies everybody swears about." And they also rate him one star.

Another reason why maybe I'm the only one who can understand Bugscratch might be that I'm german. And we (atleast I) learned it the hard way that you can't categorize people in five classes. That's plain stupid. It doesn't work. We learned that over years and years because of our history. Everybody told us.
I know that you agreed with him about that rating system. That you only differ in mind in the way he tried to achieve its abolishment. But maybe the arguement ,metioned above, helps to understand the way he tried to achieve his aim. And how important those things are for us (atleast me).

The last thing I wan't to mention is the "Enayla-case".
I think things would have taken a completly different way if she hadn't seen this thread. Cause the rest (I think so) of you were just like: "Yeah, yeah! Go Enayla! Go! Kick his butt!" I think you call those people fuckwits. If I recall that right. Otherwise I think people would have just joined bugscratch. Because that is a quite intelligent thing he did. Since it supports freedom of thoughts and speech and questions discrimination.

One very last thing : Faust, please keep your "No, don't hurt my enaylawhee" thoughts to yourself.

Thanks. Forgive my grammar.

Kick my butt