[spooge demon]

This is another attempt at painter. I was a little more comfortable this time. Resolution is just as important in Painter as Photoshop, edges are much nicer. But there is the lag problem.

This started as a scan of an old painted board. The challenge then is to not cover this with plastic, syntetic flat pixels, so there was a lot of glazing and transparent work. I give it a B- for painting, but that's a lot better than I have been doing with painter. It really does look like a mixed media image.

But think of this. Take a large, maybe 1.5 inch brush. Mix some paint and drag it quickly across the surface. This type of gestural, larger shapes is what I miss with painter. I really like playing with variety and contrast is every aspect of an image, and Painter doesn't seem to allow this kind of speed. It is good for the smaller stuff.

[Rage-lion]

Very impressionistic. I like it...I have painter but have not played around with it yet...still getting use to Photoshop.

------------------
It is much easier to change your tune,
When you song ain't being played.

[This message has been edited by Rage-lion (edited January 31, 2001).]

[Jezebel]

This makes me cold

------------------
Take off your clothes. It's OK - I'm an artist.

[url=http://div.dyndns.org/FOO!]http://div.dyndns.org/FOO![/url]
http://div.dyndns.org/beth/photography

[SporQ]

i really like how a lot of your stuff has that unfinished, rough look to it, but i think this one is just a little too sloppy. i dont know, it's hard to put my finger on what it is, but there is something that bothers me about this peice. maybe it's the blurry background, or maybe the sketchy tree branches. or maybe, it's just me being a jerk you know what they say, you can't please all the people all the time.

on the positive side, i really like the texture in the forground, especially on the snow, you can really see the crevices of the paper.

SporQ

[micke]

This is great!
It's exactly how it looks in Oslo most places now with the snow and the lightsetting. Great stuff! Looks almost like pastels or oil-crayons.
I've still have'nt tried painter yet. The lag
scares me..

-Mikael


------------------
Mikael's artwork

[Joachim]

oh yeah, that is Oslo alright The feeling you have there is exactly the same..especially with those kind of houses yuo have behing the trees. And also very similar to some pictures from certain norwegian artists upon the years. I just can't remember any spesific names, sorry.
I love your picture though.

Btw, don't you think it's a bit annoying with painter, that it simulates traditional mediums, but still wouldn't you be much more interessted in having that image on a real canvas ? Then it's there, you can touch it, and you don't need to have the right gamma settings to see the correct brightness you painted it in ? ....just rambling sorry, you've done a lot in traditional mediums, I just envy you for that

------------------
www.JoachimArt.com


[This message has been edited by Joachim (edited January 31, 2001).]

[Danny]

You have an interesting transition of smooth to rough canvas going on along the vertical. How did that happen? Synthetic flat pixels on the top?
While I like the overall mood of the image, I'm not too impressed with the execution of it. The top half of the imagine looks too messy to fit in with the lower half. Like crayons smeared out too much.
I find the rougher part works better.

[Light]

Hmm.. I like this one. It does look like a real painting.

its not great.. but interesting. maybe something could be done with the colors to enhance it.

[Sedone]

I really like the mood and charm of this painting. Some of it looks a little overworked, but I'm wondering if this was because of the Painter phase of the piece. The sitting figure might be too in focus, but that's just me. The way you worked in the white into the tree branches at top to get that hazy feel is great. Thanks for giving us a look.

------------------
sedone's artfolio

[Zorglub]

Hmm this looks like one of those paintings they bring at the Antiques Roadshow - they don't look spectacular but they're worth a sh*tload of money I think this is great. It has the feel of a real painting. I'd surely put it up on my wall, if it wasn't on spooge's hard disk that is

[Shaded]

good stuff mate. im wondering if the dirty brown look to the image will stay, or if you'll eventually brighten it up.

[Kjetil Nystuen]

This artist is very good at snow and water. His snow is abit "muddy", as it is in real life.

His name is Fritz Thaulow, a norwegian realism painter. He lived from 1847 to 1906. I really like his shadows in the snow. I know some good impressionists too, but have forgot their names. Sorry.


http://www.museumsnett.no/nasjonalgalleriet/hoydepunkter_store/thaulow_krageroe.htm

------------------
Kjetilsplace

[Gecko]

My favorite part is the subtle way the buildings show in the background.

i see joachims point about painting this traditionally, i'd wanna hang something like this on my wall but digitally it just doesn't seem as impressive. (=I like it a lot)

And to me, the brown color brings the feeling of a photo taken some decades ago.

Oh and it does remind a lot of Helsinki, too :)



------------------
Gecko
[email protected]
GeckoArt.Net

[Slicer]

Well since everyone else is thinking of their homeplace I have to add that I did to. The houses gives the idea of those old houses that are here and there in sweden, and in the rest of scandinavia.
I like the picture. It feels like spring, still cold but the warmth is slowling coming.

B-

[quaternius]

Spooge -
What size/type brushes are you lagging-out with on Painter? I know you're using a mac - so it's been noted on this forum that macs are slower than pcs in Painter -

I'm on a pc, but I've set up some brushes that don't lag 'til about size 135 and others that don't lag 'til around size 550. It's almost acceptable at 550 - at a 2000 pixel file, one swipe and you've covered about a 1/4 of the painting. You may have already looked at it and have spent quite a bit of time optimizing your brushes already, but I posted some brush settings info. on the "Painter 6, would more ram help" thread.

I sure know what you mean about the satisfaction of being able to sweep a 1-1/2" brush across a real painting. Not there yet with digital, but getting closer all the time.

Q

[Francis]

S-

How much of this is the original painting? Do you mean you used some other painting as a texture ground and painted this new subject in Painter, or is the original close to what we see here?

------------------
Francis Tsai
TeamGT Studios

[Guy]

hey that looks really good. kinda reminds me of my childhood years back in Edmonton. cold winters there hehe.

anyways i find it really odd that some people find painter to be slower. its way faster the PS on my comp. the program it self loads faster and i find that i can do faster brush strokes with painter and get smoother lines and curves.

[TheMilkMan]

Personaly I like it....

[This message has been edited by TheMilkMan (edited January 31, 2001).]

[black_fish]

I think it looks extremely bad. Bad technique, bad composition, everything is bad. The subject is terrible. Looks like those cheap paintings that crooks try to sell in Paris to unspecting tourists. I couldn't believe that Craig Mullins did this one. Is it a joke? Did Craig Mullins really painted that?
If he did, I think I can paint like him now

Hey at least Craig, nobody will copy your technique on this one and steal commissions from you

[Nex]

ah forget it.

[This message has been edited by Nex (edited February 01, 2001).]

[Ben Barker]

There's one in every group.

Spooge: post the scan of the painted board.

[Magpie]

Cool Spooge.

I like the break from P-Shop. It's refreshing.

The pic is nice too. Although it's missing your trademark contrast and perpective touches...trying something new eh?

------------------
Magpie

[Guy]

black_fish: that was most unnecessary. it does no good in saying its just bad with out giving a reason either. please do inform us of the bad tenchique used and reasons why the composition is bad as well. tell us what the subject is and why its terrible!

if you cant. then dont say things like that. it does no one any good.

[This message has been edited by Guy (edited January 31, 2001).]

[LordArioch]

It's so... artsy!

[garuda_x]

this picture is interesting because it is a snowy environment, but the tones are warm. all warm neutrals making up a snowing scene. interesting.

[Farwalker]

Nice! Really pulls me in. The only thing that turns me off a bit is the more smeared top portion of the painting.
Wow, you sure have depth Spooge. Keep it up.



------------------
Gamingvault.com

[sacrelicious]

Craig: Excellent. Evokes many winter memories. It's somehow comforting and a bit sullen at the same time.

And this may be naivete, but maybe black_fish was joking. Smilies mean joking, don't they?

------------------
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals... except the weasel.

[Guy]

well if it was a joke. i didnt find it very funny...

[spooge demon]

Yes, every time I fire up painter I think, �why?� I should be using real canvas. I guess there is a fascination to seeing how close you can get. Kinda like making a synth sound JUST like a grand piano. After the wow is over, just play the piano.

The only thing I could think of is if I did something like this for a client, then the flexibility would still be there with digital.

The cool light has warm shadows, no? That kinda indirect cold winter light has always interested me, but not in the first person. I stay far from snow now.

I grew up in Columbus Ohio, a very similar climate to Germany or France. It is kind of nostalgic for me too.

Yes Danny, that explains the difference in texture from top to bottom.

The scan of the board is gone now, but there wasn�t anything there to start with. It was an old painting that was gessoed over. It don�t have the scan anymore, it wasn�t worth saving it as a layered file, and it took 4 passes to get it in at the scale I was after.

Black_fish, I tend to agree it may not be the most stunning piece technically, but how can a subject matter be bad? Yes, it does remind me of street painters I have seen, but I did not see this as a negative. If this genre is bad, to whom is it bad? All the comic booky stuff I and you and everyone else here likes is vaunted art? Ehggg... That was one of the things I found I really liked about this board, most people were not snobbish about different styles of art. If there is one thing that the last hundred years of art history taught me is the stupidity of the hierarchy of high and low art.

But if your point is that the genre is cool, but this is a poor example of it, I can agree with that.

Speaking of, there is an artist named Galien LaLoue that I have seen in several galleries in tourist meccas here and there. The dates given to his life are varied by quite a bit, but mostly from the late 19th to the early 20th century. There seems to be an endless supply of them. They are Parisian street scenes, pretty sappy, like this image. They are small and done in gouache. I looked more carefully once and to my surprise they were done on illustration board, and looking further at the back of them, on contemporary illustration board. They really looked like a Disney artist in the school of Herbie Ryman. Whata scam! It�s like turning the odometer back on a used car, but in reverse. They were going for $5000-20000 a pop. I read later that some galleries got busted for it.

[Anthony]

Craig: I usually like to get the big shapes and colors in with Photoshop, save out as a psd if I have layers. Then drag it into Painter to add texture, detail, refine it. That way you avoid the lag(and yes, it's still tehre on PC, just not as bad as on MAC).

------------------
-Anthony
Carpe Carpem