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Liquid! · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:56 pm

Weird no one is quite catching it. Put the pencils and colors next to each other. Compare length of legs, mid-torso, forearm length...

The face did have some work too.

Chapel - First off - "Mr."? Thanks, but no need. "Chris" is fine...

I see what you did, you should carefully consider using absolute blacks. The only true place I used it was on the eyes...

Again, very conscious decision. I'm not arguing that it's right or wrong, ultimately most things are taste. However, just wanted to make sure that I let you know that these were things I considered when I work on pieces. I may still tweak it tho if it looks weird in print.

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

I actually didn't use any black. I just multiplied the same color over itself. It is a little dark, but I wanted you to be able to see it. I just think the forms are blending together too much. Like I said I'm still learning metals, but I'm a stickler since I've been staring at a brass trumpet most my life. There is alot of shapes and colors that go within the reflections but you can still make out the forms. Eh.. I might just be too picky.

TheNexx · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 10:07 pm

This is a cool pic. Some day I might ... ahh..

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Akolyte · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 12:29 am

Wow, this is like...awesome. The shininess, oh the shininess. Liquid!, you guys own the EVE Protomecha idea? Anyways, this is just too kick-ass, although it gets confusing around her breast area. But that always seems to happen ;D

Blitz · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 12:39 am

Welcome back....
I had some cartoon sketches about Surching For Liquid!

Looks like they found you

Very cool man. Very shinny. They have an EVE poster in the comic shop I go to and its cool to think "hey, Thats Liquid, Ive helped crit. his Darth Vader hehe" I still get a kick out of that. Well Ill see yas around. If you are on during your usual time (2-3am) Than ill see yas.
Bye

Blitz

Seraphire · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 12:52 am

Really good!

I like that alot, Chris. I don't remember seening this anywhere. When you say original, do you mean it was printed or just original that was never shown?

The cuts are very soft. I like that alot.

There is something about the face I don't like though. I can't figure it out exactly... Maybe the eyelid. It's very bright. I think it's a little too dominating. And the shading from the pencils to the colors is differant. And the curve of the mouth is differant too. I think I perfer the penciled positioning.

Those lips are just bueatiful.

"Sins of the Daughter", thats just funny.

Any bonuses in the TPB? Sketches, pinups, etc?

Chapel, I agree with the metallic thing. But since the metal is usually reflective, it generally is more light with a few small areas of extreme dark. Shiny plastic is usually the same way.

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Blitz · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 1:46 am

*drops Vader pic*

I know you can draw better. I am positiv. But what a moment it was hehe... It is good to see yah back. Everyone loves the Big Wigs around.

It would be cool to see some of your own stuff up. Do you have any penciled stuff? That would be cool.

Well maybe Ill catchya later.
seeyas

Blitz

Magpie · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 1:58 am

Very cool Liquid!

Nice SPFX. Nice color treatment. I'll pick up the book!

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CapnPyro · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 2:21 am

Ahh.. yes.. I didnt even notice it at first

Got me all curious so I ran to photoshop, heres a side by side-

The anatomy just fits better now i think, so you dont question it. its all pretty subtle

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Seraphire · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:09 am

I think the black on black nature of the original pic, makes it hard to see the edges, and therefore tell the changes. Not to mention scrolling up and down on the browser between the two.

But with Capn's post, you can see more.

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Flinthawk · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 4:15 pm

Hey Liquid!, you mentioned the use of absolute blacks. Have you found that using absolute black comes out differently in printing than on the computer? I did an image once that had a pure black background but the characters were outlined with a nearly black color like RGB(2, 0, 2) or something like that. When we printed it out the outlines came out a nice glossy black color but the background was really dull, a flat black...even though the colors were only slightly off you could definitely tell where the lines were. Just wondering if that's something to look for in your line of work or if it even comes up since you're possibly working in CMYK instead of RGB.

-Flinthawk

glutamine · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 6:22 pm

wow, Chris you are the man. I went and bought Battle Chasers #7 as well as the new E.V.E. #3. You and Aron keep up the good work

Liquid! · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:17 pm

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Originally posted by Flinthawk:
Hey Liquid!, you mentioned the use of absolute blacks. Have you found that using absolute black comes out differently in printing than on the computer? I did an image once that had a pure black background but the characters were outlined with a nearly black color like RGB(2, 0, 2) or something like that. When we printed it out the outlines came out a nice glossy black color but the background was really dull, a flat black...even though the colors were only slightly off you could definitely tell where the lines were. Just wondering if that's something to look for in your line of work or if it even comes up since you're possibly working in CMYK instead of RGB.

-Flinthawk

Since everything we do ends up on paper our main concern is CMYK. RGB really doesn't do much in that department, since the gamuts are different and it highly depends on the softwares tranlsation tables.

Your also very dependent upon the proofing printer you've used. Most of the just apporximate PRESS-CMYK, so I can't really tell you what happend in your case. However, colors that look great on screen, or colors that look the same on the screen oftentimes will print differently on paper. So the issue of knowing your percentages is very important. Especially when painting with pencils.

Chapel says he multiplied over the image, however the method used doesn't really matter, I eye-dropped the values and they match Pshop Black within <10%, which on a heavy dot gain paper will end up black. On this Image I would like to have the eyes be one of the focal areas, thus I want it to be the only area with a really nice thick black. Chrome/Metal does not have to have a darkest area within it. It should have high contrast, however for our purposes using BLACK destroys the cell-illusion and detracts from the eyes. I wish I could explain this more clearly.

Anyhow. Hope this makes sense in some deranged way.

-c

PS: Most of this could easily be pointless, since the margins of error in comic-printing are abhorent...

CapnPyro · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 10:28 pm

outta curiosity what printer do you use for proofing, I was looking at getting an Epson 1270 (13"x22") Not that I need to proof, I just want a good quality large format printer

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Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

Hey Chris, I see what you are getting at as far as focal points and all. Makes sense now. If you noticed though in my example the places I applied the darker tones was to break up the forms more than just add contrast. So, since you wouldn't want to to use a darker tone then I'd suggest brightening the other tones surrounding. The main thing I see is everything blends together in the metallics.

By the way.. I know what I did pretty much turned out to be black.. I just wanted to say I didn't pick it on purpose.

Something off topic... but do you open your email daily and have like 40 requests to color things? Each week my email is starting to get bombarded a little more.

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Jucas · Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2001 11:31 pm

O' wow! That coloring job is fabulous!

But I have suggestions (please dont hate me

-The right wing (her left)seems like its curving back instead of forward. Do you know what I mean? Another way of putting it is it seems like she has two right (her right) wings.

-Her neck also seems too far back or to long or something.

-the way her torso is turned and the angle/perpective on her breasts is funky. Seems like it should be a more profiled view. Right now it looks like her breasts are on her side.

I hope I didn't offend you by giving my suggestions. Take it or leave it these are humble offerings.

-jonathan

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`In that direction,' the Cat said, waving its right paw round, `lives a Hatter: and in that direction,' waving the other paw, `lives a March Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad.'

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.

`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad...'

Liquid! · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 1:24 am

GLUTAMINE � Thanks!

BC#7 didn�t turn out all that great but we�re hoping to do better next time. BTW, Issues 1-6 for E.V.E are out� although I guess the trade will be out in a couple of months collecting them all with a bunch of extras!

CHAPEL � Cool, glad I finally made sense.

I�m definitely considering tweaking the metal further, however I have some other ideas that I hope will make it a bit more readible. And I�m not ruling out darkening the shadows, its just that I opted the first time not to for the reasons mentioned earlier. Again, these are things that I very consciously think of when I do pieces, so this isn�t lost on me. However, the final test is always the audience, and if enough people have trouble �reading� a particular area of the piece, than rethinking it may not be bad. As said before I do agree that the metal is reading a bit difficult, but the reasons for that are varied.

We do get a lot of email. Not to mention readers writing regarding SoulSaga/E.V.E ProtoMecha. That�s why I�m usually behind in emails�

JONATHAN � I�m not offended at all. As a matter of fact you nailed the very things we noticed. However, the story behind this piece is quite interesting, in terms of revisions, layouts, etc. that we might include in the trade to give people a sort of behind the scenes look. I have to discuss that with Ale and make sure he�s comfortable with that. Also, as mentioned before I won�t be tweaking this any further for now, since there may be some changes coming and we might not be using this piece at all.

-c

Liquid! · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 1:29 am

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Originally posted by CapnPyro:
outta curiosity what printer do you use for proofing, I was looking at getting an Epson 1270 (13"x22") Not that I need to proof, I just want a good quality large format printer

We have Epson Stylus Pros, and a Canon BJC-5100. Personally I recommend Epson over Canon.

The Delirious One · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 3:34 am

Good Lord! What would those pencilers do without you?! It's amazing to me how much better the pic looks with the coloring. I bet my crazy co-worker designers(from presto studios) are all drooling over this thing. HAHA!

glutamine · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 10:08 pm

Delirious One: yeah but it works both ways.. what would Chris do without awesome pencillers like Joe Madureira? :P

burn0ut · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 10:20 pm

chris draws pretty damn good i say

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

Does she have some sort of crazy bungie-cord spine? How the hell does she stand like that? You'd think she'd be crumpled into a ball and dead if she were that flexible...

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CapnPyro · Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2001 10:41 pm

A.Buttle sorry to pounce on your Anatomy Parade but shes a robot

Cheap way out.. but it works, right?

Seraphire · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2001 1:29 pm

Now I'm curious. Since E.V.E. is your character. You must have some concept sketches drawn by you. Want to post a few? Or are you going to put some in the TPB?

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A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

Super-hyper-ultra-mega-cheap, CapnPyro.

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CapnPyro · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2001 4:34 pm

lmao @ A.Buttle

Liquid! · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:13 pm

SERA - I've got some sketches, but I'm not terribly happy with them. I was thinking that for the trade I would sit down and draw/paint a pin-up or something, in a style that I just did on a Final Fantasy piece, but I'm not sure if I will find the time..

BUTTLE - I had nothing to do with the spine

...and yea.. she's a robot - that's the ticket.

-c

Seraphire · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2001 2:30 pm

That would be cool. I'd like to see it when I pick it up.

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ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Liquid! : Fantastic metal effect, I like this stuff alot. Nice work!

Did I hear a while back(couple of months) someone mention something about your work being available on posters?

Liquid! · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:40 pm

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Originally posted by ceenda:
Liquid! : Fantastic metal effect, I like this stuff alot. Nice work!

Did I hear a while back(couple of months) someone mention something about your work being available on posters?

Thanks, it's pretty a stylized version of metal, though.

Yup, we're offering posters. You can get both of them very shortly via our site at www.storm-works.com or you can ask to order the E.V.E poster from your local comic retail shop. They should have no problem ordering them. If you're interested in a SoulSaga Poster, then you'll have to get it through us since it isn't being offered anywhere else.

-c