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TheMilkMan · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 11:54 am

nice freddio

Freddio · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 1:28 pm

heh chapel..

Thanks milkman

Seraphire · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 1:53 pm

Epoch, Nice!

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Kolt · junior member Member # Joined: 02 Jan 2001 Posts: 42

WHOA! nie one freddio

Collosimo · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:05 pm

Nice work everyone!

I got a few problems with the original though. Well basically after reading Andrew Loomis's figure drawing book, I think that your lines are too similar.

Book located at: www.antsin3d.com/loomis/

Loomis says that having variation in thickness, (not neccesarily tone for your comic purposes B&W) is a good way to suggest form and weight. For example a light and delicate form such as a nose, would have a light delicate line. A heavier and more muscular form like the thighs would have a heavier and thicker line to suggest bulk! Capiche?

Well you have done it to some degree with the head but I have problems with the fact that so many of the lines are thick and bold but dont neccesarily give a viewer a hint of the form, weight and 3d presence of an object.

Anyone else agree? You could also say that this similarity in line, while not defining forms, makes the clothing look cluttered and confusing. Put simply because there is not enough definition between forms.

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Freddio · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 8:16 pm

I dunno but id say the tits in my pic have weight

Rattmouth · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:59 pm

Oh I have studied Loomis religiously for easily the past 12 years. I'm aware of my choice in line thickness and how it goes against some people's preferences.

You just have to trust me when I say that it is simply my preference to make my lines thick and similar. I am what is called a "heavy-handed" artist. Always have been.

My only suggestion is to not take everything that you read to be The Word (even when it comes to the masters). Loomis was truly talented and waaaaaayyyy ahead of his time, but I would only suggest using his knowledge as a basis to build your own skills. It's your art; attack it anyway you like. Make mistakes. Learn. Keep trying.

Thanks for posting his book up, though. It will be a vaulable resource for those artists that have never seen it.

Until next time,
Matt

And thanks again to everyone who has colored that image. We are currently looking for someone to color the comic book, so anyone who might be interested can send me an email. We already have a publisher, so it is a guaranteed book (and an excellent opportunity to get your work out there).

KnightShiftStudio · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:47 pm

Greeting everyone. I am the creator of the comic that rattmouth is doing the artwork for. So if you are interested in submiting color samples, you can also feel free to send samples to me.

I love all the coloring that is posted here and I hope that someone will be interested in the position being offered. If you have any questions, please e-mail me and I will do my best to answer them.

Randy Taylor
KnightShift Studio

synj · Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:54 pm

what are you a loomis preacher, collisimo? hehe i agree with you, but dont think its needs to be done in every instance.

with colorists like freddio who needs varied line thickness? even though he seems to put the majority of his effort towards the boobs eheh

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Collosimo · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2001 12:55 am

Hmmm...

I'm not saying its ultimately right! or that I'm a preacher of it! :P

Just dont think that your style of linework suggests enough 3d form. Oh well just a point that I wanted to bring up.

I agree that line variation is only useful sometimes as Loomis says it himself.

"Line is something to turn to when your drawings are dull."

I think that this is an occaision in which you should give it a little more thought.

HEY SYNJ!: Freddio has done a nice colouring and I chatted with him on ICQ 'bout it. It is more of a painterly effect and even painted over the lines. Not a typical comic book colouring. But I am refering to the linework as a stand-alone. It of course can be fixed with colouring and 'shading' such as the examples here.

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[This message has been edited by Collosimo (edited January 26, 2001).]

Chapel · member Member # Joined: 18 Mar 2000 Posts: 1930

collisimo: It is really a style preference. Rattmouth clearly made this to be legible as a concept design and to be colored. Frankly, when I color this is the kind of linework I like to have. It leaves alot to be interpreted by the colorist instead of having everything already layed out with shading.

Cougar · member Member # Joined: 24 May 2000 Posts: 73

Okee... time for my try. Never made an image quite this fast (I'm a true slug -> 2:30 hours)

Oh, Freddio: Thanks for pointing my to this thread, it's a blast

And good job on that coloring.

[This message has been edited by Cougar (edited January 26, 2001).]

Rattmouth · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2001 10:43 am

So in case anyone wants to see what the updated character design looks like, I have posted it in the Work In Progress forum.
http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000278.html

Is it bad forum etiquette to post cross links like this. If it is, just call me an ignorant hick and excuse it.

-RaMo-

Freddio · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2001 2:51 pm

wow I like it very much cougar.. good job..Rattmouth I like you new concept aswell

Collosimo · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2001 4:35 pm

BAH!

Chapel: I know its a style preference! I mean ff's! I can read what Rattmouth said to me!

"having everything already layed out with shading."

I didnt mean that. I meant as a STAND-ALONE piece, the linework IMO does not suggest or define clear enough forms. Of course you dont want the linework to be shaded. However it would help it as a comic to have a more definitive form with its linework. I guess it would then help the colorist some more...

Anyway..sorry bout the "ff's" but I got peeved..

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Freddio · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 4:40 am

heh

i see what your saying..

Solitaire · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:10 am

@ all, very nice work - hey Freddio your's'coming along quite spoogy; kewl

Spiritual_Chaos · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2001 Posts: 71

hehe..im so ashamed of showing my tribute of 3 reasons
1.) cant handle PS yet =(
2.)not as good as u gays
3.)stuff happend and the picture got un-clear and the resault is now bad - but what the hell here it is..

PLEACE DONT LAUGH

Zaph0d · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 11:12 am

ha ha ha
i think you meant to say
"2.)not as good as u guys"
not gays
heh
zap

Anthony · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:18 pm

quote:
Originally posted by Freddio:

there we go

Reminds me of the Feng girl Spoogey colored awhile back. Nice(but don't scare Craig off ;]

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Collosimo · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 6:34 pm

Funny thing is thats an unlikely typo. Considering that 'A' is nowhere near 'U'...

Maybe he did mean that. If so, wrong Forum!

HEHE....

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Tinusch · Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2001 7:44 pm

A topic that contains the word "scabies" shouldn't get this many replies. It isn't right.

Dthind · member Member # Joined: 12 Dec 2000 Posts: 436

Freddio,

Your version, well... looks real. It is very good. And WOW is she really hmm... Loaded up front. Great Job !