[onebigcelt]

I'm trying to up my skills I want to get into conceptual design and I'm lacking in a couple of area's any feed back would be great

I've also got some questions for anybody thats doing this conceptual design fulltime
if your willing



[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: onebigcelt ]

[ZippZopp]

looks really cool! the only critique i have is that i think there needs to be a bigger sense of light....maybe push your darks a bit darker, add some more shadow area. create a sense of light from the lights located at the top of your composition. it looks as though they don't have an effect on the surrounding area

[xmmx]

Looks good
only thing I can say is it could use some darker more defined shadows.

[Svanur]

Looks like a good start.

You should try to be more bolder in lighting, try contrasting more.

[faB]

It's not bad at all, I like how you colored it, it is not fantastic depth wise, but you were consistent all accross so it looks good to me.

Here's crits
- the most obvious is the top of the window frame it 'bends in'. I assume you wanted to represent perspective of the corridor. However, our viewpoint is nearly perpendicular to the corridor, that is the corridor's lines that extend to the horizon dont go 'in' the picture but very far left outside, this means that the top and bottomn of the window frames should be almost parrallel. Right now it looks as if you tried to fit it inside the top of the page.

now just suggestions take with a grain of salt, I have ideas sometime I like to suggest see what you like
- a very faint reflection on the window ? maybe of the inside lights, although not very necessary

- one way to focus the view on the city extending outside is to have everything inside darker, and the characters almost like silhouettes, this way it brings our eyes outside just like theirs.

- I'm imagining if you extend this pic upwards to fix the window top frame, if the pic is twice the size in height you can have some really tall windows and extend this big tower outside make it go high and in the sky, some more flying taxis, it'd be more dramatic I think composition wise,
another composition I assume could be to extend your pic horizontally and represent other things inside the corridor, or outside, like a panorama.
There's nothing wrong with the dimensions of your image mind you, I suppose it just needs a focus ?


PS: I'm not myself a conceptual artist and wouldnt do much better than you really, but the more I create pics the more I realise I need reference for things to look 'cool'. So I assume there is no magic. Where I worked for 2 years I can tell you the artists had tons of books about sci fi movies and special effects magazines, they had tons of references. I think conceptual artists make a good job of using a lot of reference, and making it their own by adding their own salt and mixing the right ingredients. Take a photo from a big city say, that works for your pic, then mix in some sci fi stuff, use some design for concept cars tweak em for your taxis etc.. with experience I 'm sure it becomes your own style and nobody can tell .. the true 'geniuses' are few and far between.. if they exist at all..

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: faB ]

[onebigcelt]

Thanks alot for all the advice, I'm going to take it all in... I've been scared to use a reference from anothers work... I know thats what I need to do, but I still feel like its cheating.

I can copy really well so I feel like it doesn't count if I looked at something else.

I'm not sure how to make the changes that your suggested but I'm going to try and post back.

Thanks for the feed back keep it comming

[tor]

hi,

i think you can improve on the perspective, try to determine your vanishing points and stick to them. you'd be surprised what you can accomplish with a ruler


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[faB]

onebigcelt, I totally understand your feeling, I still feel the same way every once in a while but I;m beginning to change my views on this.

Basically when you drew the girl, you were copying life :P (or 'creation' whichever way you see it). When you drew these buildings, you used your memory of the sci fi stuff you have seen before as reference. Basically everything you have seen and memorized is reference.

Now using a book is a way to refresh that memory, because I dont know if you have tried for example to draw a friend's portrait from your memory... extremely difficult.

[onebigcelt]

Good Point I can draw my self in a few secs but I can draw one of my freinds to saave my life

I do have a question about perspective how are you getting your vanishing points...

I understand perspective very well... I just draw free hand

but I have difficult setting a vanishing point that far enough outside of my page (clipboard size) inorder to do correct perspective... how do you all solve this issue of maintaining the vanishing point

are you using a big drafting table

how can you keep consistant when you on have a small space or is the answer...get a drafting table

thanks guysa great stuff

[AndyT]

Are you sure you understand the basics?
Some of your lines don't suggest vanishing points far outside of the page...

Or are there multiple eye levels?

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: AndyT ]

[Dr. Bang]

I like it!

[onebigcelt]

Just as a point of refernce..lol

I drew this very quick on a 8.5 buy 11 sheet of paper with no ruler other than until I was thickening lines...

I doooo understand the concepts of perspective but I did not use them effectively in this drawing since I drew it very fast from my head as an exercise in evironment design...
the perspective is wrong I admit in a bucnch of places...

But what My questions is to evironment designers... is how do you keep tack of your vanishing points... to stay consitant...

like when some of your vanishing points are way off the page

like this



[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: onebigcelt ]

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: onebigcelt ]

[AndyT]

I think it would make sense to post again in Gallery/Finished Work (this pic or another one) and politely ask the question there. Isn't it finished anyway?
Or you could start a discussion...
I don't happen to know how to the answer.

[onebigcelt]

thats cool I actually set up all my old drafting stuff... I sort of answered the question my self.. if your going to do acurate perspective do it on the drafting table of an illustration program