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horstenpeter · Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:56 pm

This is an image I've been working on off and on for the past few days.
I think it has improved a lot from where it started (thanks for the help, Prep !!!), but I'm not quite satisfied yet. So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve it?

[ May 05, 2002: Message edited by: horstenpeter ]

elam · Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:49 pm

All you ever see on this board is half naked viking women or grotesque, mutated, she-he's, or manga or superheroes. whatever.

I don't think I've ever seen a painting entiltled 'Defeated Businessman'.

The lighting looks a little strange to me.
The, uh, businessman facing us seem to have their lighting backwards. More shadows maybe.

The defeated one's head looks awful small as well.
It's a good start.

gArGOyLe^ · Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:58 pm

how come no ones jumping out of the window? It'd be cool if theres someone falling down outside the window

but thats just my sick mind speaking

tek9z · Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:03 pm

like the idea, composition and colors!
as elam replied already > those bussinesmen
need more shading to give a better volume.
maybe add some more detail in the outside
buildings (you even could lighten things up
outside with some brighter colors)
and try to straighten the window border
and ceiling - a bit more straight lines needed there..

horstenpeter · Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:00 pm

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

elam, yeah I wasn't quite sure what to call it, Defeated Businessmen is more of a working title

You're right about the lighting. It's a remnant of the first version, and I'm aware of that but I'm having severe problems with resolving the image with correct lighting. I'll have to keep trying.

gargoyle, I'm getting visions of a million bodies falling outside the window, but that'd be a bit too grotesque methinks

tek9z, yes the outside will be more detailed. I have something in mind for that, but I'm not quite sure as to whether I'll get it done. Promises to be lots of work, but might be worth it.

cptoonz · Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2002 4:17 pm

apt concept for the way markets going these days

i agree with all of the above, but you could emphasize their dejection a little more...like a hand on the temple, head inclined forward...or just shift their gazes "floorward"...just my $.02. i like your color choices and the window in the bg.

illuminat · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 7:46 am

i reeaaally like those colors!! maybe you could put some more white in there (like in the collars). and then... how about some really dark blue instead of the black in those shadows? i dunno... i'm not really an expert in coloring, but i guess this might help to make it more interesting.

horstenpeter · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 10:00 am

cptoonz, yeah, I will try out some changes in the poses, though I wanted to make them static because of their disappointment. The facial expressions still need some work.

illuminat, first of all, twenty-three. You're right, the shadows should be complementary, I'll work on that.
And Pi the movie rocked.

Thanks for the comments !

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illuminat · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 10:21 am

hey! you must have been on my site

yeah. 'pi' rocks for sure - gotta love those sweet b/w shots!! did you get to see aronowsky's current movie 'requiem for a dream' yet? pretty tough one!

horstenpeter · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 10:32 am

yeah, i checked your site

I wanna see Requiem for a Dream - badly !!! But I missed the only time it ran at a local cinema (it ran just one night !).
And I'm not gonna break down and look at the dubbed German version (or did you see that one ? is it any good ?).

illuminat · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 10:50 am

nah... i actually got myself the uk-version at ebay coupla weeks ago. the german version is supposed to be really weak.
it's definitely worth watching. not an entertaining movie, tho - really terrifying.

btw: i heard aronowsky's next movie will feature brad pitt... hm...

horstenpeter · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 10:53 am

Wasn't his next project the new Batman movie ?

Let's see what he does with Brad Pitt. If he does something as good as Fight Club, I'll be satisfied

BloodStone · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 12:39 pm

They remind me of HL scientists for some reason.

J. Tsang · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 4:36 pm

love that!!! nice color

illuminat · Posted: Wed May 01, 2002 11:12 pm

he's directing the next batman movie?? whew! that's different

yeah, i'm starting to like brad pitt. he had some really cool parts (like in snatch, fight club or this new one with redford). can't remember seing any really bad movies featuring pitt (just to make things clear: i didn't see 'meet joe black')...

horstenpeter · Posted: Thu May 02, 2002 1:40 am

illuminat, I saw Seven Years in Tibet, that was pretty bad for various reasons....
Yeah Batman is different. I hope they don't commercialize it as much as they used to. That's not something Aronofsky deserves (or needs, for that matter).

BloodStone, yeah, maybe

J. Tsang, thanks

illuminat · Posted: Thu May 02, 2002 2:21 am

yeah, i saw that one, too... i don't quite remember all of it, tho.

check this out: 'last man'

here's what aronowsky said about it:

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"It's a post-Matrix, metaphysical Sci-Fi movie, and it's very different to anything you've seen. I call it post-Matrix because Matrix reinvented sci-fi in the same way Star Wars did, or 2001. I'm in a new environment, I'm trying to figure out what type of film would play to an audience now, and I think we came up with something really cool."

there's also some info one that new batman movie.

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Quote:

Warner Bros. wants to start the series over again with Darren Aronofsky at the helm and make this series closer to the comic books. As mentioned before: This is a series restart not a prequel.

hm... sounds cool so far. well, i'm still not sure about that batman-thing...

horstenpeter · Posted: Fri May 03, 2002 3:54 am

Hmm do you know which one will be released first ?

I also liked the main actor of Pi, Sean Gulette. Check out his site: kgbmedia.com
He'll be in Last Man as well AFAIK.

illuminat · Posted: Fri May 03, 2002 12:08 pm

'last man' is gonna be first.
aronowsky seems to use certain actors over and over again. in 'requiem for a dream' he had gullette as well... as well as many other actors from 'pi'...

Iman · Posted: Sat May 04, 2002 3:42 am

I dont know what made me think of this but your work made me remeber an old game I used to play about 11 years ago..called another world.. the artist or designer was called eric chahi..
heres an old game cover, notice the colors..
another world game cover

your worked certainly conveyed an emotion, .. very nice..

Iman

horstenpeter · Posted: Sat May 04, 2002 4:09 am

illuminat, yeah you're right, but I like Gulette. I think he's a good friend of Aronofsky, so I think that Aronofsky is trying to help Gulette to advance in his acting career.

Iman, thanks for the comment. I love the old hand-painted game covers. Much better than the new "design" type of covers. Thanks for sharing this !

illuminat · Posted: Sat May 04, 2002 7:35 am

they were roommates in college as far as i know. gullette's acting in 'pi' was really great. he played only a minor character in 'requiem' tho...

horstenpeter · Posted: Sun May 05, 2002 12:29 pm

So everyone, what do you think about the direction I'm heading ? Still a lot to do now, but this idea of a full-glass gangway suddenly popped into my mind.

illuminat, just checked the latest cinema program, they'll screen it in Karlsruhe in JUNE.
So I guess I'll finally get to see it.

Novacaptain · Posted: Sun May 05, 2002 3:40 pm

nice...check the proportions of your businessmen though...Their arms are too big. Don't forget to add reflections on the glass and i don't know if the bottom ought to be glass too...a lot of people get a bit quirky when walikng on glass planes, even if they're not 50m above ground.

PixHortHiT · Posted: Sun May 05, 2002 10:48 pm

I dont love it

illuminat · Posted: Mon May 06, 2002 2:10 am

hm... i like the first version better. it has more of a gloomy, fusty 80's look... that's what i like about it.
imho the 2nd version is too bright. it lacks some shadows. interesting perspective tho...

horstenpeter · Posted: Mon May 06, 2002 11:55 pm

Novacaptain, yeah you're right. I scribbled in the legs very fast and never bothered to check them. Reflections are coming up. I know it would be a bit.....uncomfortable for some people to walk there. But hey this is just what popped into my mind.

illuminat, yeah I'm not sure which one I like better. The newer one definitely needs some work, as the connection between the three and the silhouette guy is lost, and that is bad. I think I'll let this image rest for a while and get back to it in a few weeks. I need to do something new.

Lightbringer · Posted: Tue May 07, 2002 5:01 am

I much prefer the 1st version. The orange sunset feel and the ruddy lighting contrast nicely with the dark oppressive feeling of the boardroom/hallway. The buildings and whatnot outside are also much more abstract and can be interpreted as a mixtures of tricks of light, reflection, and distortion through the glass.

In the second one the light is overpresent and the gloom is all gone. The perspective suddenly feels wrong and the proportions of the buisness men make them look very very odd. Also there is no sense of the hallway being glass. No reflection or refraction. It is just crystal clear.

Personally I would stick with the very promising first version and not continue with the second. Some minor corrections with the first and you would have a striking dark fun picture.

Lightbringer · Posted: Tue May 07, 2002 5:05 am

Just noticed something else that bugged me about the second version. Despite sharp contrast in the lighting of the buisnessmen indicating a very strong lightsource they cast no shadow on the glass and the buildings below them do not have a clear uniform sense of light and shadow (the lightsource is muddled in the buildings).

And the walkway ends in a wall.

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Othman · junior member Member # Joined: 26 Apr 2002 Posts: 2

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Originally posted by illuminat:
I think that the background colouring is all wrong for the picture. As the mood of the picture is obviously a sad/ distressed one, I think that the colours shouldn't be as warm, the setting should be at night and darker/ colder tones should be used to give the picture a lot more atmosphere. I know this would be a lot of work, but I think it would improve the picture feel/ atmoshere.