Sijun Forums :: View topic - Can't figure out these wings! NEED some help!

traveller · Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2002 3:40 pm

okay...i figured out how to put this picture up. I"ve tried to colour the wings every which way but am having SO much trouble with lighting. Also, i can't get the wings to look like they're attached to the figure. It's done in acrylics. It's too late to repaint it so i'll try to fix it in PS.

Thanks for suggestions

specialbrew · member Member # Joined: 24 Dec 2000 Posts: 83 Location: UK

Hmmm... tricky this, I hope you forgive the quickie suggested amendment. Lovely colours, but maybe the problems stem from a) light source to provide structural depth and b) an understanding of how the wings connect to the body...?

sb

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: specialbrew ]

traveller · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2002 3:44 pm

oooohhh gee. You're right. That's some nice insight. Believe me, I"m receiving it very gratefully. hmmm...your rendition really enhances the composition as well. I see what you mean by light source.

Thank You!

audacity10 · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2002 4:09 pm

Aagh! Don't make the wing smooth!

Specialbrew has found a much better composition, light and shade but the rough look about the original is great!
Kind of reminds me of this artist called Aaron Turner. Nice colours, too.

Techno-art.co.uk

specialbrew · member Member # Joined: 24 Dec 2000 Posts: 83 Location: UK

Oh no, absolutely, maintain that lovely textured feel. Mine was just a rapid bit of overpainting

sb

traveller · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2002 9:11 pm

Thanks. My strong point is colour and my weak point...you guessed it. Hands and feet.
Maybe i'm give her claws. haha. Seriously...i'll see what she looks like with a textured leathery appendage. In fact, I'm redoing her in oils now.

BTW. This is my first acrylic attempt. Now i feel better. Better check out to Aaron Turner is.

specialbrew · member Member # Joined: 24 Dec 2000 Posts: 83 Location: UK

I was thinking some about your original picture, particularly with respect to how I added in some deep hues to make it more 3D, and generally more 'real'.

The big question is whether something has now been lost in the process, something slightly ethereal which is there in your original, more 'flattened' image, but has maybe vanished in my overpaint - simply because I've tried, as ever, to make it more 'real'.

Sometimes it's hard doing c&c because the automatic default of someone like me is to 'real it up' - improve anatomy, perspective, etc, but now and again maybe an image doesn't need these things, particularly when it's as 'painterly' as yours. In fact, if you removed the bio-mechanical type elements from the torso, your picture would become very non-SF, almost William Blake-like.

Just a thought

sb

traveller · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:08 pm

I think that your placement of the wings is refreshing. It certainly forced me to think about what effect it has on the 'spirit' of the painting and for that matter, what the image portrayed. Originally, the image was a representation of one's POV the 'moment' of descent into the abyss...the moment of 'paradise lost'. So its context is very stark...naked....revealing to our eyes. Haunting in fact.

The wings presented in the way in which you did changes the essence of the picture somewhat. It's good because it makes me more aware of the 'uncorrectedness' of the anatomy. However, you are right...now the spirit of the painting is uncongruent with its original portrayal.

Should a painterly style allow someone to 'get away' with poor drawing skills? NO. Never. And that is what your picture has shown me. Thanks.

As for style....I'm rather fond of William Blake. He's quite 'fragmented' isn't he?

I'll be resubmitting this image again. Hope you're still around.