[edible snowman]

I didn't really want to do this, but I guess I have to. First off, I would like to say that the influence I get from synj is purely drawing flash cartoons. I would not use something of this quality(what I did, not implying anything negative about synj's work) for a commercial work ever, as I said this is for a simple school project. When I said I go to his site all the time, what I should have said is that I frequently go to his site to look at his 3d animations. While that is not to say I haven't seen some of his flash animations, that is not my main purpose for going to his site. Getting on to why I made the game I did... I have done flash projects for school work in the past, and they have involved minimal cartoons. I have wanted to attempt some kind of small flash game, and this project presented itself as an opportunity to do so. My project was about Chinese holistic healing, which in the book I got was about planning diets and eating certain foods to heal. Hence, the food portion of the animation. Since the book talked about how Americans are in traditionally poor health, and the character would be eating, I decided to make him fat. I then decided to make his expression a common comic Chinese one. I then made him blue, because it is one of my favorite colors to use. I thought this was a common color in general. For example, this whole site is mainly blue. In addition, flash 4 has a limited color palette so there are few blues to choose from. It was even further limited because I wanted to use a lighter color so his facial features would show up. I was trying to come up with a name in math class, and in one of the most suspicious moves, I admit, I chose feed the fatty. While I will explain why I chose this name I realize that even though I came up with it on my own it is far to similar to synj's to actually use. I'm sure it would be considered copyright infringement. I originally decided on the name because of the alliteration it uses(rhyme scheme with two common consonant sounds beginning it). However, it was unknowingly similar to synj's, so I must change it. The whole "humor" of the movie, is supposed to be when the Chinese guy 'feeds' the fat guy. It is a completely different focus that synj's movie. My movie mainly focused around learning actionscript for the quiz portion. I decided to make animations for positive and negative responses depending one wether or not the user got the question right. This is fairly common in games such as this. The positive answer was obvious, a smile. The negative answer was also fairly obvious, throwing up is a common negative response to food. But with all this explanation, all I am trying to show you is that I did not set out with the intent to copy synj. Regardless of what the copyright laws are, because my game is considered similar by people I would not actually use it. I am not disputing your arguments, I am simply trying to show you that what I did was not copying, simply coincidental.

[Paqmann]

natec.. way to A) resort to childish insults "ms. pac-man".. I presented myself in a calm and hopefully somewhat logical manner.

Obviously my arguments about the flash, blue, pointy ears, name, and content weren't satisfactory for your amazing deduction skills (no insult meant.) Therefore, i dont care. You could very well be right. I was presenting my opinion and didn't ask to be insulted and assaulted as if I had insulted your mother or something.

About edible visiting synj's site.. he had stated that he visited synj's site AFTER synj attacked him. And there still is a POSSIBILITY that he didn't see it..

I'm just finishing an animation of me getting the shit beat out of me, if that makes you feel better..

-matt

[edit] i'm an idiot i forgot a B) [/edit]

[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: Paqmann ]

[natec]

Dude,

Its just that the ideas are so totally similar...the general look and so on. I really don't think that you should worry about copyright stuff...doubt synj is all about that. Its about giving credit where it is due. Many times people see things and forget about them...then subconsciously add that in their work...I've done this. But in this case, its sooo similar.
I really don't get some of your explainations...but hey whatever. Maybe you truly never saw it. But, people that don't see the similarities are just nuts.

As for the "its not for commercial work" argument...plagarism is plagarism...period. Many people over the years have copied other works to learn, but most do not claim it as their own. This is the difference, again giving credit where it is due....

and hey maybe you didn't actually see his stuff...oh well...call me an sssholee

-n

[edible snowman]

I know what your saying. I agree plagiarism is plagiarism. I meant to say that, but it may have gotten confused in all the writing you did. I will even admit that it's entirely possible I was subliminally influenced by synj's work. I told synj himself that I would do anything that would make him happy, short of confessing to copying when I did not. He said he might be happy, if and only if I admitted to copying because we "both know what I did."

[Paqmann]

ahh ok i am out of the discussion then unless some new person says something dumb. grr stay away

see me get beat up

[Captain Lex]

please everyone stop fighting this is INSANITY!!! who cares if people are copying or not!! this is the internet, dudes!! and we have to get along like brothers! we are all like brothers on the internet and we have no sisters because chicks dont like the internet cuz you cant wear it or sleep with it.
anyway to make a long storie short, i have designed the new flash sensation! he is like a cat only kinda green blue and has man tits and he eats!! and when you answer a question, he poops and vomits and sometimes farts!! hahahahaha!! it's new!! i have includid a picture of him.....

is he not the ultamite?! i made him up myself sirs so DONT COPY please. i am thinking of making a new flash animation too where my cat blue creature says something like 'all your base are belong to cat' haha get it? i make these funnys up all day. i am the winner of this messaeg board battle cuz my cat eating puking charater is the best! goodnight later sirs.

PS: oh wait nevemind

[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: Captain Lex ]

[TheMilkMan]

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[ April 25, 2001: Message edited by: TheMilkMan ]

[synj]

ehehe

that me/you image is old, dude. I just dug it back up. I wouldn't waste my time creating something for this thread (except for a really long typing thing which i'm probably about to do).

there is indeed a title on the flashgame. It's in the upperleft. You have astounding observation hehehe

[snip, snip snip snip, snip.]

I just want a little respect for the projects and personal style I've been developing over quite a long time. I'm more than happy to do the same for any of you.

but I'd still steal any children you might have in the future and eat them.

[ April 26, 2001: Message edited by: synj ]

[SHABBA_NIG]

Its blatent copying. It wouldnt be too bad if he gave credit to synj but he was like "Oh I never saw that before.." Which if you look at both is total horseshit. If I was synj I would grab your lying ass by the throat and punch my fist through your skull. I would finish off by pooping in the newly created cavity and sealing it with THE FUCKING PUS THAT ERUPTED FROM THE ZITS ON YOUR FACE WHEN I MASHED IT...YEAH.

On another note its lunch and Im hungry

[edible snowman]

First of all, there is no need to start swearing at everyone. I think we have already proved that flamewars don't solve anything. I could go into a long and logical explanation about how I thought of the idea, and how I didn't copy him, but no one would believe me. This guilty until proven innocent atmosphere really discourages people from posting. I am trying to be calm about this, but having people repeatedly insulting me and calling me a copier is getting to me. Whats almost as bad, are people saying that copying someone and taking the credit is ok. I don't condone copying, and its not what I did. I do agree that there are similarities, of course his is more well done. But logically, if I did copy him for a pointless school assignment, there would be no reasoning behind putting it on this message board. I attempted to share with other people something I am interested in, and possibly get ideas on how to better work on animation. Instead, I was labelled a copier, and immediately attacked. I don't think I will try to continue explaining myself because people have already made up their minds. But I will say I hope that you can realize that the similarities are purely unintentional, and understand what I was trying to do.

[wayfinder]

hey , captain dyslex, nice post.. when nobody knows which side you've taken, nobody can flame you..

anyway. they're all rip-offs of skull from pvp

gimme an a! gimme an r! gimme another r! gimme an o!.. etc

[edible snowman]

hehe, lexor is a funny man

[shardik]

PAQMANN STOLE MY SIGNATURE!!!

[synj]

eh, shardik?

[Paqmann]

what can i say. actually i believe that there is a complete difference in the style of the piece.. while i maybe have been influenced by your signatures before, I'm not quite sure if i've seen that SPECIFIC one. Let's analyze the elements that are the same:

EVERYTHING

let's analyze the elements that are different

NOTHING

doh.



-matt

[fazedesign]

your style is quite nice synj, but your image topics always seem to be in bad taste

[Totuus]

Great Captain, you rule.. hope no one will copy your brilliant idea
Although it reminds me about tamagozy(TM), so keep low profile..

[synj]

oops i farted

[ May 05, 2001: Message edited by: synj ]

[Freddio]

ok he Ripped the ears of the blue guy...

he ripped the title..

thats about it...


all what needed to be said..

was

"Hey man try to keep it original ok"

the end.. like seriously everyone here gets all flamey seriously everyone grow up

[Captain Lex]

hello again sirs i have received hate email regarding my post about my blue pokemon eating creature thing. it goes like this please...

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: hmm.
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:52:10 -0700

i didn't appreciate the mockery. at all.

i get what you're saying, but art is a way of life for many people. Apparently it isn't for you, or you wouldn't have done that. :/

regards,
dan paladin ]www.synj.net

well, mr dan paladin i have a responce for you! i didn't appreciate your email. at all. "ART IS a way of life for me!! oh please give me attention!! i am a starving self-proclaimed artist and NO ONE UNDER STANDS ME!!!" that is my impression of you. and you said art isn't for me, well the trick is on you! it is for me didn't you see the picture i drew? im a genius.
so mr dan paladin of 1475 maple street, you can't get the best of me with your clever emails. oh yeah and paladin isn't your real name. i think youve been playing the warcraft or diablo too much and think your magic guy but your not. so go eat a boot. bye sir.

-captain lexoringz0ring

oh yeah both the ears were ripped off mr spock

[ May 05, 2001: Message edited by: Captain Lex ]

[synj]

ahahaha you thilly old bear.