[strata]

the symbol is originally an indian or thai symbol of the sun or sungod or something like that... but I very much doubt that you'll be able to use them for anything unrelated to the holocaust for as long man remembers his history

how do you react to this for instance...

[ October 29, 2002: Message edited by: strata ]

[thinkwink]

Certainly for the foreseeable future, the swastika symbol is going to be inextricably connected with the horror of the Third Riech. However, I see no problem in using them in images that include Third Riech or Nazi subject matter. Of course my preference in seeing such an image would be to view a seriously critical depiction of the subject matter... I mean, those guys really were nasty sons'a'bitches... no two ways about it!!!

[[Shizo]]

I don't like the use of swastika for non-documentary stuff (like games). But if it's logical and factual production, i'm fine with it.

[gLitterbug]

The swastika is way overused in art nowadays. I think thats because quite some people think it�s "cool" to use it in their art and not because so many are doing art related to that period of history.
I�m tired of seeing the Swastika symbol on all kinds of killer-robots and stuff. But if it is for history reasons (like in your case, when depicting something from that time and scenery) then it HAS to be used imo, since it so identifies that period.
I assume it would only give trouble, if you use it as a non-nazi symbol, as I�m sure everybody unconscious connects it to Adolf Hitler and Nazis.

[General Confusion]

What is everyones opinion on their use within illustrative imagery? Do you feel that they would be politically incorrect, and do you think and art director may take offense to them in your work, which could ultimately hurt your chances of getting work???

I have an image that I can't show yet that has swastikas in it, but they are used within a realistic setting showing a Nazi environment, so I didn't use them symbolically (for an underlying meaning) I used them simply as how an image that depicts a certain time period would look..

any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated

Bobby

[convoyrider]

The swastika is originally a buddhist symbol of peace. You can see it on statues of Buddha. Now I don't know whether this part is true but the nazis took the symbol and turned it around and made it a symbol of the third reich.

[Sukhoi]

Art depicting third reich imagery, wich does NOT contain a swastica where there ought to be one, could be interpreted as "politically correct to the point of incorrectness" or even worse seem directly denying.

By all means do it.

Sukhoi

[Effigy]

quite interesting...

Push Here

[Svanur]

it's unavoidable to not think of the Nazi when faced with a swastika. People who escaped the holocaust to Iceland were pretty shocked when the first thing they saw was a reverse nazi symbol(a symbol used by Eimskip, a freighter company in Iceland) and then they saw a lot of things marked as SS(which actually stands for Slaturfelag Sudurlands, or Butcher Company of the Southern Region)

Personally I hate all this political correctness. I am a little overweight and I don't care if somebody says I'm fat rather than "You are vertically challenged or something similar. Instead of Manhole we have personhole. Fireman becomes fireperson(which sounds more like an arsonist in my mind.

Political correctness sucks because it's abused and usually it even sounds more insulting than the previous names/descriptions. If my drawing sucks I would rather let someone say that it's bad(which could mean that I just have to improve myself) rather than "You are visually and Eye-coordination challenged"(which sounds more like I am a retard or severly handicapped)

my two cents.

[Jami Noguchi]

Personally, I believe your work will speak for itself, symbol or not. To not use a symbol because you fear a negative reaction would betray your art. To use symbol for sensationalism would betray your art.

If your piece requires a Swastika, use it, whether it be a Nazi war painting or mythological scene or what ever.

This is a pretty good discussion thus far. I've been on boards where something like this would be flame bait. And that symbol link is very informative.

[daeldren]

I believe the Swastika was a jewish symbol at one time, but as soon as the Nazi's started using the symbol it became synonomous with hate and anger. But I agree that you shouldnt let anyone tell you what or what not to draw, unless your doing commision work of course.

[Freddio]

Apparently Hitler borrowed the symbol of the swastika, from his local church it was painted in religous scene. And he liked it and it represented the ideology of the NSDAP.

[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: Freddio ]

[nilpferd]

I personally always think of those bastards of the third Reich when I see a Swastika and since there still enough people who believe in this crap I don't think it should be used in arts. Okay, when you do a picture about the third Reich, like you want to express your opinion about it, it's okay. But after the moment you call it art and use it (as shown in the link of strata) as a tattoo it's not okay.

Some people say it's exaggerated but there so much other symbols and if you're not doing a picture about the whole situation in the second world war, why using this symbol?

Compare it to real live: When you do a presentation about nazis you can use the symbol. But to walk on the street with a sweet shirt with some kind of swastika there will be a lot of evil gazes...

[Chile]

Swastika was originally a symbol for peace, and was used in the areas southeast of Germany.

As a symbol in illustration, you need to be very careful that the subject you are illustrating is entirely related to everything that the swastika means. Otherwise, you run the risk of creating Fine Art.

And, as Fine Art, the swastika has already been used a lot. Actually, Holocaust themes have been reworked over and over by fine artists already.

[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: Chile ]

[-HoodZ-]

GC i always look forward to your work, swastika or not post it up i want to see your art! im curious what kind of piece this is...is it a city with the banners all over the place or is it a flag placed on a German vehicle....

[Fafnir]

has anyone read the manga "blade of the immortal"?
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[General Confusion]

for your helpful opinions.. I posted the image that supports this topic in the gallery..

thanks again for your help, please comment on the image... any input is gratly appreciated
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