[Capt.FlushGarden]

Oh thanx ceenda, I didn't know it was in the control panel hehehe...I think I'll go to another forum now, (embarassed)

[zerorage]

i wish getting the right colors could be done by simply changing your gamma

also depending on your video card it may have some additional features for controlling this stuff aside from the adobe gamma thing.


If you want it so that your pictures will look relatively close on different hardware, you have to calibrate each piece of equipment, and you can get some monitor calibrators for around $150.

if you want more info i'd have to dig it up but just ask.

[Blind]

Capt.... check out this link. There's step by steps in there to walk you through getting the right black point, Adobe calibration, gamma, everything... very helpful.

[-HoodZ-]

hey thats a great link...thnx blind

[Blind]

NP, Hoodz... I just found it the other day myself, so I haven't been through the whole site, but it looks good.

Jersey City?! I used to live over near Christ Hospital. Not a fun neighborhood. I had bulletholes in my first floor windows. But it was cheap and close to work

[Capt.FlushGarden]

I'm a total rookie at setting monitors to the right color and brightness, is there any program on the internet that can help me to set my monitor? and does photoshop 7.0 have a color manager?? I can't find it

Well thank you in advance

-john

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: Capt.FlushGarden ]

[ceenda]

Capt: Look in your Control Panel and there should be an Adobe Gamma program in there with a dialogue wizard for setting up your monitor.

[-HoodZ-]

no shit...i live like 5 block away from Christ Hospital...i live by Palisades park, the one with the basketball courts overlooking New York....hmmm bulletholes? what year did you live here? cuz its all quiet now...

[Blind]

I lived right on Palisades Ave, across from Fisk Park. A little bit north of where you are, I guess. My roommate and I had an apartment on the third floor of a building that used to be a funeral home. Creepy, man... lots of weird noises in that place, and neither of us believe in that shit. My roommate once saw a flower pot slowly drag itself across the living room toward him.

I was there probably 10 years ago, in my early 20's, and it was even starting to get better then, but you'd still get your occasional gang activity. They'd train their Pit Bulls in the park. My friend's uncle was stabbed to death there too. Not cool... the downstairs picture window had several .22 sized holes in it. JC Hummingbirds, I guess

[-HoodZ-]

10 yrs ago = bad .....i went to Dickinson High School and all i heard about were these horror stories of how you would get robbed and beaten on your first day...scared the hell out of me but i never got robbed or get into any fights and by my senior year everthing was getting better, i graduated in 94'....its safer now but then again i can look like im someone that'll rob ya

wow lots of Jersey heads here....first General Confusion then u...well i think we hijacked this thread enuff...thnx for the link again blind

Edit: found it funny that you used to live so close by...Jersey city isnt exactly small..nothing like living in the Heights

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: -HoodZ- ]

[Blind]

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found it funny that you used to live so close by...Jersey city isnt exactly small..nothing like living in the Heights

Yep... I only lived there because I worked over at the railyards down Manhattan Ave across 1&9, so it was nice and close. I'd roll out of bed 15 minutes before having to be at work I lived in Bayonne for a few years too. 42nd & Broadway.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Blind ]

[Frost]

Just a question...

I always disable gamme correction on my end because I just simply don't trust it. There has been threads about people loading images in photoshop and explorer (for web) and having different colors. Does photoshop write gamma corrected images or does it write the un-"corrected"/unaltered bitmap data? What happens if you start a pic fresh in photoshop, you paint in a gamma-corrected space, then save it as gamma corrected. You close photoshop and reopen your file later on in another session,... will your image be gamma corrected AGAIN upon loading it as photoshop is set to gamma correct by default?

This has generally caused problems for me in the past so I just decided not to fuss with it and leave it all alone. For someone doing professional color-balanced work, this must be hell (I'm glad I'm not a pro).

I guess the best way to do this is to find the proper gamma setting for you monitor/vid_card combo and set the gamma in your video_display settings instead of a program specific setting like in photoshop.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Frost ]

[Blind]

Frost: Follow that link I posted up there. I think there's a whole section regarding this at that site. But, more directly... I think because Adobe Gamma is loaded at your system startup, you should always see it as you painted it, corrected or not. I think... it's confusing. Perhaps if you painted it on your machine and viewed it on another without Adobe Gamma loaded it would undoubtedly look different, no?

[Frost]

Yeah, I started looking at that link (great one btw), but there's lots to read on there and I didn't have the time to read it all here at work. But yes, definitely, things will look different from machine to machine anyway (less so if everyone calibrated their setup properly, but it will never be exactly the same.)

[zerorage]

what do you mean by gamma corrected images? If it did this you would never be able to transfer your pics from one computer to another w/o the color being different. I think what you really want is ICC profiles to be attached to your images. Once you have ICC's in your workflow, things should be much easier, but it does require that initial investment to understand it all, which isn't as automatic as it should be. And again, gamma is only a small ( and probably easiest to understand ) part of correct color. Tied to this idea is video card capabilities and your monitors color gamut.

ok, i know this is a rather large list but it should be useful to those willing.


Software
http://www.chromix.com/ the cool tools for 3D graphing of profiles.
http://www.praxisoft.com/ Praxisoft wells a variety of ICC profiling software. WYSIWYG is cheap.
http://www.profilecity.com/ A new web resource for ICC profiles. They sell software and a profiling service.
http://www.monacosys.com/ A seller of lower cost profiling software.

Hardware
http://www.gtilite.com/ Excellent light booths.
http://www.xrite.com/homepage.asp Makers of popular measuring devices like the DTP-41 spectrophotometer and the DTP-91 monitor colorimeter.

Hardware and Software
http://www.colorpar.com/ Colorvision sells the Monitor Spyder and Optical software for your monitor.
http://www.gretagmacbeth.com/ ProfileMaker 3.1 is the leading (and most expensive) profiling packages. They also make the Spectrophotometer used in the color class.

Organizations
http://www.color.org/ The ICC home page.
http://www.npes.org/standards/cgats.htm The home of the SWOP specification.
http://www.gatf.org/ An organization dedicated to the development and use of graphic arts technology.
http://members.eunet.at/cie/ The CIE home page.

Good Info
http://www.creativepro.com/ A good e-zine for the publishing industry.
http://www.adobe.com/print/prodzone/main.html Adobe's Print Production Zone w/ links to good Color Management info.
http://www.apple.com/creative/resources/color/ Quicktime movies on Monitor and digital camera calibration and profiling.
http://www.adobe.com/support/techguides/color/ Adobe tech support on Color Management.
http://colorsync.apple.com/ Apple ColorSync technology page.
http://www.lava.net/~colorcom/entercolormatters.html a fun color site.
http://www.barco.com/display/support/colorthe/colorthe.htm A short course by Barco, a high end hardware manufacturer.
http://www.pantone.com/allaboutcolor/allaboutcolor.asp Some color info from the swatch people, Pantone.


PS: this list of info is from a color management class i took, so I have to credit peter constable of adobe for this.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: zerorage ]