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J-D Leon
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:07 pm     Reply with quote
hi everyone.
i am looking for an answer. look at the first picture below.


how do u make the contrast soo huge. i mean, it seems very dark in that picture, but it is also very shiny.
i been trying to achieve this effect for a long time, can talented people show me how?

here below is the image provided. please use it to do effect :-)



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:16 pm     Reply with quote
Uh, You can adjust the contrast in photoshop, I have a german PS version, but I think it's "Image" -> "Adjust" -> "Brightness & Contrast"...

Just turn the contrast higher and the brightness a little down...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:25 pm     Reply with quote
Ya damn it :P Just photograph yourself/friend (steff? sexy! ) and like edit in photoshop, i sorta fixed up image a litte bit i'd suggest you retake it, it has doubles urhg its blurry etc... bad lightning but then in photoshop u can change the lightning contrast etc...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:37 pm     Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Jabo:
Uh, You can adjust the contrast in photoshop, I have a german PS version, but I think it's "Image" -> "Adjust" -> "Brightness & Contrast"...

Just turn the contrast higher and the brightness a little down...



nope. it just counld be this easy, i would have done it long time ago. loook here what u suggest, but it does't look like the effect i want. it has more contast. but the collor has changed, it look unnatural. what i mean is, my picture turned more yellowish.




but the my preference picture's color doesnt change, what it has change it just the brightness and darkness.

anyone else can has more effective idea?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 2:32 pm     Reply with quote
okay ive been playing around with your beautiful picture and there is absolutely no way (in photoshop) of getting that desired effect out of your picture unless you were to paint it or do it all by hand...the closest tool to giving that desired effect is the "threshold" and it is very messy and is in black and white. you used a regular camera for that picture.....they used props...lighting...shadowing, and all sorts of other equiptment....including tons of sparkling makeup. that picture probably didn't even touch photoshop.
i'm sure that after hours and hours of work you could make something good out of the picture...but it would not have the same skin colour or hue.
lets just put it this way...in order to get that effect you would have had to start with something better than your picture..its a great picture and all..but it has no depth, shadow, or higlights to work with really. next time buy a big flash and put it on your camera...turn a few lites on in a really really dark room, smear some makeup and instant-tan on her...and start shooting pictures!...make sure shes wearing a shiny dress too
then go in photoshop and it will be much easier to play with

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:19 pm     Reply with quote
i agree with toilet. i got ok results with levels, adjusting specific channels and overlaying a high contrast grayscale version, but the base is not good enough. with a proper photo you don't have to do much adjusting in ps. so this is a photography issue.
i'm pretty sure i could get fairly good results if i spent a while adjusting specific areas of the image carefully and doing some err.. nifty tricks, but i think you should really just learn how to take photos with proper lighting and colours.

out.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 6:21 pm     Reply with quote
It seemed to work for me
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:07 pm     Reply with quote
thats "not what hes looking for" i did that too...good job tho...
jd its all in the original photo.. good luck
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:31 pm     Reply with quote
Do you mean something like this?



It's very difficult since the original image is Fullbright. But, I think it can be acheived with enough techniques and time. This was only like 5mins.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:38 pm     Reply with quote
It is that easy... but once you've applied a contrast boost, you should then use the HUE adjustment tool to desaturate just a bit.

Also, it looks to me as if the example shown was significantly cripser or higher resolution to begin with, which also adds to the effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:43 pm     Reply with quote
You need someone who is a photography expert because those pro photographers get those kind of photos with special lighting , special make-up , and then it is digitally enhanced , so firstly you need to take a great photo of the subject , then try to work your magic ...know what I mena ?

I don't think you can take an amature photo like that and make it the same quality is that pro photo
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 7:43 pm     Reply with quote
Errrr......

NONONONONONONO.

It has nothing to do with Photoshop adjustments.

What the photographer did in the first picture is LIGHTING tricks DURING the shooting of the picture.

You CANNOT get that kind of look with the picture you provided because the lighting data isn't there in the picture to begin with!

If you had taken a picture under similar lighting situation as the first pic, THEN it would be possible.

Photoshop can't do EVERYTHYING. You'd still need to be a good PHOTOGRAPHER in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 8:03 pm     Reply with quote
toiletPhish said it all first...give him 5 stars plz....bow to him

good job metalsoul...i couldn't get it to do that
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 8:40 pm     Reply with quote
ok, now that we've got all that technical stuff out of the way, Is that girl single? and does she like art nerds?! the world needs to know!

luna is right, your image doesn't have the lighting effects, but you can fake it alittle with some painting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:10 pm     Reply with quote
hmmm yes i think i know that girl!
could you give me a name, address, postal code, email address, phone number, and naked picture just to be sure?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:26 pm     Reply with quote
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Originally posted by jr:
ok, now that we've got all that technical stuff out of the way, Is that girl single? and does she like art nerds?! the world needs to know!

luna is right, your image doesn't have the lighting effects, but you can fake it alittle with some painting.



hi.
to answre ur question. No. she isn't single.
anyways, here is now new trial:
but still can't the exact effect,
so far, i think nickname88 get to the closest point of what we want. could show us how u did it?(it looks a bit too redish tho)


and here is the better image for u guys, LOL


i know it is true that photographing a good picure is very important.
i thought photoshop can do anything!
is it that why we use photo shop to draw any picture?
anyways, i still hoping someone would have that talent to make her looks stunning like my preference picture!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 9:56 pm     Reply with quote
JD Leon- Just learn photography. That's the only way.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:17 pm     Reply with quote
/me waits for the arrival of Dr. Bang
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:26 pm     Reply with quote
Just make a better picture and the reason those ppl get such 'high contrast' is cause they use actual lightning and all :X
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 7:46 am     Reply with quote
bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang popcorn!!! i think bang wins
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:14 am     Reply with quote
uhhh.. i think the girl is dark skinned too (in the desired effect picture)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 10:09 am     Reply with quote
It also looks like the original pic might have been made on the alternating strobe affect that is fond of these days, strobe goes off in a completely dark room and you take the pic it gives off a high contrasting dark nifty looking image. It's cool for full motion video when you film every time the strobe goes off, you miss all teh dark shots and have them looking like a robot..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 10:48 am     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:16 pm     Reply with quote
yeah I agree you need to take the picture in a dark room and only use the flash as a light source


All I did to get the effect I made was auto levels. then I ajusted the dark levels way up and the light level way down. it seemed simple to me.
best of luck
nn88

I also used a different layer for the shoulder cause it was to bright


and thank you jd. I never realized the impact you can make with lighting

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:32 pm     Reply with quote
adjustment layer/curves and hue saturation to save the color like you wanted...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:38 pm     Reply with quote
nice, bang.
here is what i did after fellowing ur steps.

still doesn't looks what i am looking for. oh wel. if bang couldn't do it. then i should stop wasting time here.

and i know i see more of this kind of picture, so look through my achieve, ban, i found this(exact effect. i like this kind of lighting soo much. )


and suddenly, i found this tow pictures. i did this awhile a go. it looks 98% of what we are trying to acheive.
original:


and this is the one touched by me with photoshop:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2002 7:26 pm     Reply with quote
The look you want is "flash photography." It's as simple as that. Trying to make a non-flash picture look that way in photoshop is really a horrible way to go about it. It's almost like taking a watercolor painting and trying to adjust it in photoshop to make it look like an oil painting.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 12:52 am     Reply with quote
Not sure what property of the reference photo exactly you are trying to get. My guess would be the blue-ish mid tone without losing the skin tones. Here is a quick edit I did.



Nice choice of photo for the discussion by the way. I wonder how many would give it a try if this photo was used.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2002 5:54 am     Reply with quote
I am sorry but there is no way this photo of yours up there will even look remotely like those pros' pictures you posted.
no filter in the world can change that-
as lunatique said- you have to learn about photography and lighting.

your shot looks like it was made run-by-paparazzi-style, invest in a tripod or try to keep your hand steady when taking a picture.

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