[Ferrozuka]

Hi. At first I would like say that I'm not trying to change any of you with this, nor is my intention to offend you. I added my view, in which im entitled to, to a thread. Ignore all of this if it hurts you the smallest bit.

Jess, I was talking about my own, obviously very limited experience in the matter as I'm still a minor. Maybe I went off with what I said, and I might be wrong with some of this. Sorry if I generalized things, but.

Did I mention almost everyone I knew tried to get me to drink. The idea of someone not drinking alcohol just didn't fit in their small heads. It wasn't me snubbing about it, I just silently walked away. In fact, this is the first time I ever said my opinion on this out loud.

"I drink alcohol once in awhile and but that
doesn't make one stupid or ignorant." You're absolutely right. This, however, is not what I was talking about. I was talking about my ex-friends spending most of their weekends drinking & doing drugs, even dropping out of school and losing their jobs because of their relentless alcohol consumption. I guess they just don't care. I did call them stupid because I see nothing good in their actions.

In my point of view it really seems they are self-destructive (well this actually hurts the whole society through the violence it causes) by drinking their internal organs to hell and smoking their lungs black. Not to mention starting with drugs and trying to get me into it, too. I was really scared of being able to hold my own (it can be quite a pressure) and becoming like them, so the natural reaction was to KEEP AWAY from them. And that's exactly what I've been doing.

However lonely I might have felt after I broke off, it always beats being in their company. I mean, they live less than a mile away, if at any point during this time I would have wanted to return to them, I could've done it very easily. But I never did. Now what does this tell you?

Just to point it out, everyone of my current friends do use alcohol. They do it scarcely and not when they're spending time with me, because they know I don't feel comfortable about it.

Saying weed is used as a medicine, you certainly don't justify smoking it on a regular basis just for the fun of it. Same goes with every medicine. It's illegal (at least here) and that's because it causes a lot of violence and misery, from which often random & innocent people have to suffer.

The bottom line: Alcohol and drugs should be used for medical purposes only, and currently the situation is completely out of hand and destroying human lives.

When it comes to experiencing it all myself, I don't think I have to punch myself in the face to know it hurts.

Ferrozuka.


how many friggin edits does it take to correct one letter on the damn ubb code..

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[Jess]

awwww I'm sooo sorry
I didn't know you were a minor.



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[Jess]

I'm such a jerk

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[Tinusch]

It makes me sick to see all the people who smoke/drink at school lately... Probably about 85%, maybe 90%, of the people in school are smokers. Even more drink regularly, many times even to the point of drunkenness. It's like a normal, everyday thing to them. No one even thinks anything of it...

[Cypher]

I've tried all the drugs that I can name, but nothing stuck. I guess I'm the curious type.
I don't smoke or drink at all.
If I ever die of lung cancer it will be because my mom's smoked in the house (my room) since I was 2 up until I turned 15 and moved.

Smoking in the house when you have kids is just plain fucking rude and proves how much you care for your family.

So if you do that, STOP IT!!!! Ahhhh!!!!!

[Lemur-X]

Never would smoke. I like the ability to run a mile and not hack mu lungs up out my sinuses.....

As for the drinks. Tequila tastes like rubber, and beer tastes like yeast. Fun? You bet. Habit forming? I don't think I'd get that hooked....

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[Guybrush]

weed ain't bad in my opinion...
it's up to everyone to his own, but i hate it when people call
me a fuckin drug-addicted (no offense 2 anyone), coz'
just because i smoke marijuana every! day, i'm not addicted in any way...

you might think i'm dull... but that's the way i see it!
nearly all people (from 16 - xx) drink alcohol here..(i don't
cause i don't like the taste..), so would you' call
them addicted just cause they drink a beer every day ???
hmm--- i dont know if i got the point...

*confused*
guybrush

[Jess]

I get your point. My dad smoked pot everyday, and he is very successfull. I do every once in awhile, not as much as I used to. Although I don't think it helped his brain out and it pissed me off as a kid to see him contradict himself, I still don't see anything wrong with it. (Except for the part about doing it around your kids) Anyway, yeah it does make me mad too when people assume that you're stupid or whatever just because you smoke a j every once in awhile... or I suppose in your case, every day.

[Affected]

Bah, I think about 80-90% of my classmates smoke cannabis products... For most of them, it's not that regular a habit, though.

And then there's the people who use mace... Geez, that's kind of sad. I mean, you have to use loads of the stuff...

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[Jess]

Crank is a big drug over here in the states... it's made from poisonous chemicals such as rat poisoning. It's like speed, and it can make your heart explode. I have no idea why people use it, I guess it gives them a rush or something...

Mace? Doesn't that hurt the eyes? Is that like huffing or something? Friends of mine in high school huffed hair spray, must be the same thing... Except grosser...

[Cypher]

People use a lot of Acid here in Oregon. It makes you hallucinate, and lose total sense of reality. That what crosses the border for me. Smoking pot calms you down and you just feel like you could sit down and stare at one particular spot forever. That's fine. Alcohol does worse than that.
But when people start screwing with G and Acid, especially when G was proven to give you a 50/50 chance to live when you drink a bottlecap's woth, it just doesn't make sense. It's all peer pressure. "My friends did it and they didn't die, so why shouldn't I?" That's stupid.

Anyway, have a joint and forget about it.

[Jess]

What's 'G'?

[ScoobyDoo]

quote:

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Originally posted by Jess:
What's 'G'?

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Jess

A rather serious depressant supposidly.
Kinda like Roofies, only not so drowsy.
My girlfriend has used it before, and it makes you very succeptable to "suggestion".
Kinda like a CIA "truth-or dare-serum". Put somebody on it, then ask em to do stuff.

So far from your posts You and I agree almost totally.
Although my usage of the Herbal essences is/was a little more regular....

Drinking just makes me sick. Unless I herbalize myself first.

I could post my serious opinions on the social and moral implications of smoking(cannabis) and drinking, and other illicit drug usage, but that could take pages....


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[Ko]

Hells...
I just smoke crack... but only on mondays, tuesdays and fridays

Acid is also way cool!

Ko

[Affected]

G? Gamma, right?

Mace is a spice, actually. It's a nut, though I think it's only sold ground up. (Here in Finland, the law prohibits the sale of whole mace nuts.)

Ah, here's the dictionary description:
Mace: a spice which is ground from the dried layer immediately within a nutmeg drupe and outside shell and kernel

Basically, it's a psychedelic drug. You can get the effects by smoking or eating the ground up stuff, too, but I don't think it's as effective as eating the nuts whole. And apparently it tastes terrible.
It's very easy to get, there's some in our spice selection... So if use it when, say, preparing a family dinner, don't use too much of it, or the occasion may take an odd turn...

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[Jess]

Sweeden has all sorts of interesting spices. When our friend Johan was over, he brought all this food and stuff with him... or maybe his mum sent it, not sure. But anyway, he made this drink on Christmas called Glog... I'm not sure if that's the Sweedish spelling, but that's how it sounded. It was pretty good... Pretty strong though.

[Affected]

Glogg, probably. Yeah, it's good, though you don't have to mix alcohol in it...

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[Jess]

Affected is so knowlagable I learn something everyday.

Here in the states, we use cans of mace as protection. You spray it in someone's eyes and they are blinded temporarily. It could be used as a drug here too I suppose. I'm not really on the up and up on the drug scene here. I only smoke cannabis once in awhile.

[Affected]

Hm.. A versatile substance, isn't it?

Eh.. I seem to remember an Uncle Scrooge story, where the good uncle went looking for nutmeg to make tea out of, of course resulting in yet another silly adventure. The story sort of gets a new dimension, when you know what nutmeg is...

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[Funfetus]

If by "G" you mean GHB, I've noticed its tendency to make some people more...uh..."experimental", if you know what I mean.

I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, or whatever. I don't need it. Most of my friends do smoke, and a slightly smaller number use some drugs moderately, except for one, who will do literally any drug you place in front of him. My whole band smokes, so I get tons of second-hand stuff. :/ My singer was an alcoholic speed addict by the time he was about 13...he's been clean for about 3 years now, but he still can't quit smoking. That shit gets in DEEP.

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[Rorshach]

Do half the people with the views on antibiotics / cigarettes /alcohol being bad for you come from California or what?!

Your artists, your meant to find things out for yourself and be a little more frivolous and eccentric in your lifestlye as a means to better convey the beauty and intensity in your work?

I wont bother going into a long philosphical tangent about this as reading the whole of this debate at once was tiring...
fuck i will say this...

Thank fuck the beatles and the doors didnt think like all you ' living excessively is EVIL!' types )

I would so have missed 'Nowhere man'...


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[Affected]

Yeah well, my head is cotton 24/7 anyway, I really don't need to feel any more fucked up... I'm already staring at walls.

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[Jess]

I could use some antibiotics today.... I'm all sick and stuff.... and ummm I'm a wussy about being sick.... I WANT DRUGS MAN!

[lungx]

Don't smoke, don't do drugs and don't drink and hardly take any medicine...only if it's really really needed.

I don't mind people smoking as long as they don't puff it in my face hehe. My mother and sister smoke, my dad doesn't anymore 'cause he's got a lung condition. Kinda used to the smoke I guess. I don't mind people drinking either as long as they know what they are doing. Some (ex)friends of mine used to get totally drunk every friday/saturday and smoke the green stuff too, for fun? i don't get it...afterwards they'd be wining about how bad they were feeling but how cool it was to puke and stuff...gee
One of them took too much speed and is still messed up in the head from it, and is still taking medication to control his mood swings.

He's was always like i'm gonna quit now, but never did...whatever to that. I don't see him a lot anymore, just once in awhile. Don't tell me� wasn't a good friend (I asked myself that Q a lot) but hey i tried to help and if you don't want to be helped and keep messing up...goodbye to you.

Over here, in the Netherlands, all that sh!t is quite easy to get, very easy to say the least...was never tempted and probably never will be. I got my net addiction going on, that's just as bad as it is hehe

Well I'm quite done now, back to work

lx

[DrBof]

people think to much of Acid mad visuals correct but not a different reallity just a twisted one...but it fried my brain for far to long last time and if u have taken 4 or more (in your life) then here (england) u r classed as clinicly insaine

ho-hum

Phill 'i love my cords' Tew

[Rorshach]

Clinically insane?!?

im from scotland myself, lived in england too and never heard about this? Who is it says your insane if have taken 4 tabs in your lifetime?

I'd agree you need to be a bit mad to drop 4 at once but clinically insane is a bit old name tag for 4 tabs in a lifetime which is mere 'dabbling'.


Nobody got any 'positive' drug stories here? Or does everyone just have the 'classical governement approved drugs are bad' stories about friends on drugs etc?

I took drugs when was younger, lots of them.
Had good times, had bad times, didnt kill me, didnt causes me to kill another , didnt cause me to end up an unemployed aids infected criminal monster.

Did you know weed for instance was only made illegal when government realised too many people were usuing it? This is just in the last half a decade.

Did you know MDMA aka E was originally made by government and used as an experimental marriage counselling aid?

I'm just tryign to give the direction this debate has went some perspective. The perspective im trying to open your mind to is that most people get their facts 2nd hand from the government or anti drug agencies or from people who've had bad times.

Why is it that Alcohol is not illegal and Weed for instance is? Weed users are passive, alcohol users aggresive and far more deaths are related to alcohol than weed but alcohol is taxed so its OK.

Drink your drug!

Point of this blurb , I'm not saying take drugs, im not saying drink... im saying dont say both are wrong because of misinformation.

If your a moron, when you take drugs or drink your act a bigger moron. If your a sensible fuckign human being your just a happier / merrier one when you drink or take drugs. Dont blame the high for the acts of the idiot that is upon it!



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[DrBof]

ho don't get me wrong ive done a lot : E, LSD, Shrooms, most types of gwarn, angle dust, even some dodgy antidepressents...and i liked it...but i don't any more (well nothing harder than Gwarn) i need my brain to work or i will find my self out of it

Clinicly insain bit was taken from this big book o' drugs that my dealer owned it was just facts about drugs not from any view point

[Rorshach]

yeah..i remember a lot of dealers i knew in the past liekd reading up on drugs facts / history. Perhaps their occupation forced them to rationalise their pastime.

I dont do drugs myself , not for years. But i smoke dope every day. In a couple state in america its legal if you have my condition which is chrones disease.

The main side effect of Chrones disease is constant daily stomach cramping / headaches and other things I wont mention cos this isnt a sympathy mail ( in fact i RARELY mention my condition).

The medicine that is prescribed for chrones in most countries has sideffects.. one of the main side effects are Stomach cramps and headaches!

Weed however cures the sideeffects of chrones however so ! And its a great creative boost also which is handy for someone like myself

see..... regular drug taker, healthy, wealthy , wise, beautifull wife and positive future..

thats why reading all these ' my friends took drugs and did something dumb ' stories were rubbing me the wrong way.



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[Jess]

I just want to throw something in real quick
about what Phil said about LSD. Doctors,
not the government, not anti drug agencies,
but doctors say that LSD can cause long term
damage. Causing you to see tracers and trip
out of no where for a long time. Also
causing depression and or mood disorders.
People end up going to see psychiatrists for
medication to help relieve the symptoms LSD can leave behind.

"With a bit of a mind flip ... you're into a time slip ... and nothing can ever be the same. ... You're spaced out on sensation. ... Like you're under sedation ... Let's do the time warp again."

[Guybrush]

but then i gotta throw this in:
look at what doctors say about weed, and what the fuckin government says... c??

'drug abuse is wrong. it's illegal'
- al gore

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