[blok]

Does anyone know any good books how to draw perfectly like this in a 3d grid,

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This is the main site, these guys got amazing skills.

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I know how to draw perscpective with a few help lines, but it always looks a little bit out of balance. Especially with complex rounded shapes.

I know these guys give some workshops, but i live in holland and these guys in america, so that's kind of a problem for me.

[HawkOne]

You may have tried this already, but just in case you haven't ... check out the links page of the Scott Robertson or Neville Page site ... the people listed often tell a little bit of their background ...

The words product design, transportation/transport design and industrial design pops up regularily ... those are probably the keywords you need to focus on ... both in searching for books ... or when searching for schools if that is interesting for you ...

Someone suggested this book here a while ago
(It appears Amazon doesn't allow external linking to their images anymore, so links will have to do)
Amazon.com - How to Draw Cars Like a Pro

Also ...
Amazon.com - How to Draw Aircraft Like a Pro

And a whole bunch of books on perspective darwing, and technical rendering...

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Also, it will (usually) take a long time and a slightly "mathematical" mind to master perspective "perfectly" ... I myself will probably never get there ... but I'm gonna keep trying anyway ...

Hope you got something out of all that ...

[ April 28, 2002: Message edited by: HawkOne ]

[blok]

Thanx alot hawkone for all your help and tips. � had checked some of the links and most of the examples are very usefull, and some tuts about rendering. Couldn't find anything though about perspective drawing at it, so i am going to purchase one of those books of amazone.

thanx again, bye

blok

[Ian Jones]

I am learning perspective myself at the moment. I grasped the theory many years ago, but getting it into practice is the hardest bit. Why? well it just seems intimidating, that you don't know where to start, and even when you do whether it is correct or not. I would like to offer some advice though, as I have just realised this myself.

There are many unfortunate myths about perspective drawing, some you pick up from other ppl, others you create for yourself and dont realise that they become your undoing. I can honestly say that perspective is quite simple, once you grasp its theory and practice. The reason it all gets so confusing and intimidating is because each book you read on the subject usualy has missed out something critical, and has a different approach to some other book. That other book probably also has errors in it and things not accounted for. This sort of disparity between books really confused me for ages, because someone would say "establish your horizon first" and another would say "establish the eye level first". In actual fact they are the same thing (thats something you'll learn about). I hope you see my point though. That even the best books can have misleading or contradicting information.

So my advice is buy a book, read it, and practice (dont worry too much about your drawings being any good at this stage). You will then know a fair bit about perspective, but if you are like me then you will realise that there is more to it than your book has let on (probably). I always got this feeling that 'somethings missing'. So go get another book!

Have fun, hope that helps.

(one of these days I will write an online tutorial for it, because I feel it needs to be done properly. However it is such a huge task, and I don't feel confident enuf to teach others atm.)

[convoyrider]

That's hat I'd really like to learn - getting clean lines in teh designs. My hobb;es too much. is there a trick.

[Ian Jones]

convoyrider: do you mean you want to learn how to draw inperspective? or do you mean you can't draw smooth clean lines.

If you want clean lines, practice a lot. Also make your movement from your elbow, not your wrist. Too often ppl rest there wrists on the paper which restricts movement a lot and leads to scratchy lines. Draw drom the elbow moving your whole arm.

Apart from that, rotate your paper to draw lines in a direction that you want to, its easier than struggling at a funny angle your not used to.

One tip I picked up from a little old sketch book, was that it is good to practice cursive handwriting to improve your lines. What you do is draw an "o" normal size, then the next make it bigger, the next bigger until you can draw big circles with ease. also try "f" its good too for practice and "s" of course.

Hope that helps anyone who bothered to read it!

[convoyrider]

Geez, I just looked at my post again and it looked like crap. I'm surprised you understood it Ian. Yes, that's what I mean, I want to get clean lines. As a matter of fact, I do use my wrist, not my elbow. Thanks, I got to try that.

How about getting thicker lines though, do I need to go over it again, or do I use a thicker marker.

[ April 30, 2002: Message edited by: convoyrider ]

[Ian Jones]

aahh, good, I thought thats what you meant. hehe

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April 30, 2002: Message edited by: convoyrider

Fixed up some more typo's hey? lol.

Getting thicker lines really depends on the tool you are using. If you use a pencil then just push lightly for ultra thin lines, and hard for thick lines. A pencil won't produce a very wide range of thicknesses, caompared to say a brush. I geuss if you need to go over the line a few times then it should be ok. Of course it would be good to practice this a bit first, so draw some lines in one movement thin to thick, then thick to thin (good to be able to do both). A good example to work on would be a sphere with a light coming from the upper left.

Lucky I already have this uploaded to my server.



The sphere in the bottom right, bad example of smooth lines! but it illustrates the use of line width variation to indicate the form and rendering of the sphere. So that would be a good practical excerise to work on.

Hope that helps.

[strata]

this will take about 3 hours, but here's a lasagna I prepared earlier! ;D

[Godwin]

i dont know why they bbother with that stuff, its only for blueprints and technical stuff right?

[Ian Jones]

LOL!

[Light]

Perspective is just another tool.. A very useful tool but one that is hard to get.

The basic, 1, 2, and 3 point perspectives sound easy until you start adding hills, circles, and uneven terrain.

There are 2 ways artist ue perspective, #1 as a loose guide for fixing errors and making things look believable, and #2 as a powerful tool that makes really impressive drawing.

Most people get #1 pretty quick but #2 is not very easy unless you know your stuff.

Either way.. yeah perspective is useful but not an end all/be all.