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Snakebyte · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2002 7:33 am

If you havent read it yet.
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-843783.html

Sorry if this has been posted aready.

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

I've been using PS 5.0.2 on OS 9 for ages, but I recently upgraded to OS X. I got a copy of the beta from a friend and it's god damned SLOW.

Otherwise, it's incredible different than what I'm used to. Hopefully, the speed issue has been addressed in the final release.

glody · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2002 2:01 pm

quote:
Originally posted by A.Buttle:
I've been using PS 5.0.2 on OS 9 for ages, but I recently upgraded to OS X. I got a copy of the beta from a friend and it's god damned SLOW.

Otherwise, it's incredible different than what I'm used to. Hopefully, the speed issue has been addressed in the final release.

Thats why they call it a beta...its not gonna act the same as a brand spanking new version of photoshop 7 when the final code has gone "gold".....

wootkoos · member Member # Joined: 20 Jun 2000 Posts: 64

I just got back from PMA in Orlando where they premiered Photoshop 7. From the demos the Adobe booth was showing off it has some impressive new enhancements. With that said most of the new enhancements are more suited towards photographic needs rather than the artist.

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

Duh, glody.

I was commenting on the beta, foolish mortal.

And just because it's gone "gold" doesn't mean that those bugs are worked out.

That's why we have "patches," fuck.

FelixL · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2002 7:50 pm

How does the new "natural brushes" inspires and excites you CGers? It looks to me that occasionnal Painter user will only use PS in the near future..

Lunatique · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2002 9:45 pm

If Adobe is truely ambitious, they would spend some time and make PS rival the natural media abilities of Painter, and then Painter would be out of business within a year.

jesusclone · Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2002 11:05 pm

quote

Quote:

I've been using PS 5.0.2 on OS 9 for ages, but I recently upgraded to OS X. I got a copy of the beta from a friend and it's god damned SLOW.

I dunno if any of you got a chance to try out the 6.0 beta version, but that was pretty slow as well.

As a matter of fact, even the final version was fairly slow, it wasn't till they released the 6.01 update that Photoshop was up to speed

I'm a professional digital photo retoucher so the new tools do appeal to me

I'm also an occasional painter user, mostly becuse I can't ween myself from Adobe shortcuts and I get frustrated

Ko · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:12 am

Oh... It's gettin' official now

I've tried the beta on a Mac, a few times, and it's really not very revolutionary!!!
It's more like PS 6.1... or if you're really forgiving 6.5. But 7.0... NO WAY!!!

The Painter 7.1 update packed comparatively more value than the PS 6.01 to 7.0 upgrade.

Shame on Adobe!!! They must have the most naive stockholders in the world...

- Ko

eyewoo · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:18 am

I've been using the beta on a PC... It does have quite a different way of handling brushes, with much more versatility. Takes a bit of getting use to...

jesusclone · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:19 am

Well I read that the XP and OSX tailored versions are really nothing great, just a little more integrated really. Reguardless they're still going to sell a million and 1 copies just because they slapped the sticker that says "PHOTOSHOP" and it has an eyeball on it

although that heal brush does sound pretty sweet, I know I want one

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Fabrys · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 3:30 am

I read in Computar Arts (Futurenet publishing) that old plugins will not be compatible with Mac OS X (except if you turn off Aqua interface and boot in classic style).
I was waiting for the natural tools for a long time and now that Adobe decide to include those tools, I read that Painter 7 is still better

The interface of Painter is a real obstacle for me but, I think that I gonna work hard to explore this soft which gives really good results in Natural Media.

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Given that this is Adobe's first foray into "natural media", I think it will probably be Photoshop 8 or 9 before they get things to Painter's level. From what I read on their website, it looks like a last minute add-in, rather than a revolutionary way of painting in Photoshop.

Re-sizeable custom brushes are all I want, really.

[ February 25, 2002: Message edited by: ceenda ]

gArGOyLe^ · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:39 am

Heres a CNET.com Review of the Beta
http://www.cnet.com/software/0-429627-8-8884742-1.html?tag=ld

Copy and paste in to URL field of ur browser

Immy · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:42 am

Here is a review of the full version of PS 7.0 for the Mac only.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/applications/photoshop/

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Pat: Exactly.

glody · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:49 pm

quote:
Originally posted by A.Buttle:
Duh, glody.

I was commenting on the beta, foolish mortal.

And just because it's gone "gold" doesn't mean that those bugs are worked out.

That's why we have "patches," fuck.

I was commenting on the fact that you were commenting on the beta which is in fact pointless. Adobe would be almost as stupid as you if they released Photoshop 7 and the "speed issue" wasnt "addressed". Noooooo shit about the patches. But of course if they werent such sloppy coders and there was more development time given to them, then there would be no need for patching one single solitary thing after the "gold" release. Fuck.

[ February 25, 2002: Message edited by: glody ]

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

*rapes glody with a rake for quoting the entire post*

suny · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:51 am

cool.
a new photoshop.
again.

with new bugs.

and very soon, the 7.1, with less bugs.

cool.

S.

Pat · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:58 am

It's going to take a lot more than some brush enhancements to put Painter out of business. Photoshop's simple RGB color mixing model has none of the algorithmic finesse that Painter has developed over the years. IMO, it's far easier to develop "fuller" color in Painter. I also seriously doubt that Photoshop will ever reach Painter's level of natural media emulation because the brush engine would need to be entirely replaced. Adobe would quickly find itself in Corel's position with slower brush performance and a far more cluttered interface due to the large number of user controllable variables.

Honestly, Adobe doesn't have to replace Painter --it's already dominating the market. More people paint in Photoshop than in Painter and that's Corel's core market. Rather, Adobe only has to toss the painterly crowd a few more enhancements to keep them pleased because they're already using Photoshop for it's other strengths. Clearly, given Painter's small marketshare, moving Photoshop in that direction will give limited returns to their investment.

As for Photoshop 7, I'm not too excited. They've yet to fix most of the bugs I noted back in PS3/Tiger Mountain. Bitmap halftones STILL don't render properly at all angles, free form lasso selections can still cause scratch disk corruption in bitmap mode and a whole host of others. Maybe if we're lucky they'll stick with some kind of decent color space this time around, so everyone who upgrades won't get jacked on their output. I wouldn't hold my breath.

-Pat

glody · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:30 pm

quote:
Originally posted by A.Buttle:
*rapes glody with a rake for quoting the entire post*

lol....amusing

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

You think this is funny?!

Don't make me rape you again.

Serpentmage · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 11:57 pm

As far as the Painter vs. Photoshop agument goes, I don't think theres any comparison. Photoshop is an photo editing program before anything else. Painter is... a paining program. I mean the names speak for themselves.

Photoshop as far as I'm concerned is running out of things to enhance as far as photo editing goes. I thing they're moving into completely new territory with the new brush options. Yes you obviously could always "paint" in Photoshop, but it never clained to be a "natural media" painting program. I think the new things they've done are a step in the right direction. I mean do we really need 10 new ways to remove imperfecions in scanned photos? We have had the rubber stamp tool for quite a few versions now. You either know how to use it or you don't. Filters you can buy. So I think the step tward "natural media" makes a lot of sense. I can't wait to get my hands on 7.0 personaly.
CG

Pat · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 4:20 am

quote:
Originally posted by Serpentmage:
Painter is... a paining program

OMG that's funny.

-Pat

gArGOyLe^ · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:22 am

will the MAC version and PC version have the same things? cuz the MAC versions review looks kewl.

Serpentmage · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:13 am

Hehe Freudian slip maybe? Thats what happens when you are typing at 2:00 in the morning. I dig painter, but it is tough to use if your used to Photoshop.

razzak · member Member # Joined: 25 Jan 2002 Posts: 183 Location: -

wow man, i want. i better start saving!!!!!!

balistic · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:54 am

Maybe it'll finally be some competition for Photopaint

A.Buttle · member Member # Joined: 20 Mar 2000 Posts: 1724

Don;t you mean MacPaint?

I wonder when they're going to release MacPaint for OS X. . .