[Jin]

Steven S.,

Thanks for enlightening me as to what "stfu" means. (Ignorance was bliss.)

For what it's worth, I agree that was rude and would add stupid and immature.

I also personally think that being a newbie is not something to be looked down upon. Nor should any newbie be made to feel that he/she needs to lurk before speaking or asking for help. That is, as long as the newbie who wants sincerely to learn also has the sense to read what is offered and available to learn from (bad grammer, sorry).

A newbie who has the grace to know he/she needs to learn and sense to ask for help (with respect and courtesy for others) should be encouraged.

My two cents, and I'll bow out now.

Thanks, Steven.

[Mindsiphon]

Yech! Do not go to that tutorial. It's over a year old and it's pretty old. It was done before I had a pen and it seriously needs to be updated.

Achri I've moved my site temporarily to http://www.shiftingsuns.com/mindstorm/home.html
It will be there until I can decide on a name for a domain.

I plan on putting up a new tutorial soon.

Cheers!

[Digiworx]

what is painter? i guess its a program you paint in right? but is it some proggie most of you guys use or what?

(just curious)

[Digiworx]

ohh i forgot to mention, is there any tutorials for it?

HeHeHe

[LoTekK]

painter, published by corel, is basically a natural media simulator, which is to say, it simulates the look and properties of natural media like watercolor, acrylics, oils, chalk, pencil, you name it and they've got it... as far as i understand it, however, the interface is a dog to get used to... i only have painter classic, myself, so i don't know firsthand about that...

[Dr. Bang]

do you have a tutorial for this so called media simulator?


also, do you have a tutorial on how to make lots of money?

[lalPOOO]

come on tutorials help a lot, if they dont teach you somthing new, at least they help familirize you with the programs interface. They are a great way to start, but after you learn the techniques it's best to start making your own stuff (of course)

[lalPOOO]

of course I may be complelty wrong, but so far I think I'm doing pretty good

why don't you tell me (yea I know I'm kind of cheap, but it's better then starting another topic!)

[Paqmann]

raist - visited the site, and the tutorial seemed to be down.. just a temporary thing? Just thought I'd let you know..

-matt

[Jin]

quote:

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Originally posted by Digiworx:
what is painter? i guess its a program you paint in right? but is it some proggie most of you guys use or what?

(just curious)

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Here's a fairly comprehensive look at Painter's interface, tools, and palettes (it was published prior to the Painter 7 release last August and doesn't reflect the new additions in the Painter 7 Update released recently.. but most of it is covered):
http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/painter7/

It's a very complex and wonderful program and LoTekk's brief description is a good one when it comes to the drawing and painting tools.

The interface is a bit overwhelming until you learn how to manage it. Then it can be quite easy to control and use however you like.

About the "Natural Media" (registered trademark) drawing and painting tools:

There are literally hundreds that are installed with Painter, hundreds more on the CD, and the Painter user can create endless numbers of his/her own brush variants to use specifically for the kind of work and style he/she uses. Any Painter user who owns the program and never bothers to learn how to do this is missing a great experience and capabilities no other program offers. One of the Painter artists recently shared a whole collection of his "Fine Art Brushes" at In Depth Discussions, and they're so beautiful and great to use that it feels to some of us as if we've had a new upgrade to the software. They simulate oil and acrylic brushes, by the way. Some paint flat color, some blend, some have smooth edges, some have rough bristly strokes. There are already brushes in Painter that do these things, but Chris's brushes seem to be even better.

Painter is designed to take full advantage of the Wacom tablet and pen's pressure sensitivity and brushes can be made to paint in all kinds of ways to control opacity, grain (paper texture), direction, velocity, tilt, bearing, size of the stroke, color, jitter.. and more. A brush can be made to load different colors on its bristles, paint with two colors, paint with color variability so that each stroke is a different color within a certain range on the color picker.

Pens, Felt Markers, and other brushes can be made to paint thick and thin brush strokes depending on pressure, direction, original source (designated image or pattern), etc.

Painter 7 Water Color brushes are amazing. You can literally watch the paint dry, control how the paint interacts with the current paper texture, lift a dry painting to a Water Color Layer, choose a Water Color Brush Variant and Paper, and wet the entire Water Color Layer then sit back and watch what was a dry painting turn into a watercolor painting with the characteristics of the chosen brush and paper.

Though I am most fond of Painter's drawing and painting tools, the software offers many other features including Movies (paint or otherwise create frames forQuickTime or animated GIFs); Dynamic Layer plugins like Liquid Metal, Liquid Lens, Bevel World, Kaleidoscope, Image Slicer, etc.; Clone Painting using Tracing Paper or point-to-point cloning; seamless tiles are easy as pie; Patterns and Paper textures can be either painted or created from any image or photo; Effects including the newer Woodcut, Distress, and Serigraphy; Mosaics.. and lots more.

Yes, there are loads of tutorials for Painter and new ones being written every day. There a oodles of them on my site that are good for beginner to intermediate level users.

If you'd like to learn more about Painter, there's a lot of information and many paintings and other images to be found at In Depth Discussions Painter Forum and on my site.. just to mention a couple of places. For a couple of great painting sites that also offer tutorials, take a look at Jeremy Sutton's (Jeremy's site has a page with lots of links to other Painter related sites) and Don Seegmiller's:
http://www.portrayals.com
http://www.seegmiller-art.com


Jinny Brown

PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at: http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions: http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
______________________________________

[Jin]

quote:

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Originally posted by Digiworx:
what is painter? i guess its a program you paint in right? but is it some proggie most of you guys use or what?

(just curious)

---

Here's a fairly comprehensive look at Painter's interface, tools, and palettes (it was published prior to the Painter 7 release last August and doesn't reflect the new additions in the Painter 7 Update released recently.. but most of it is covered):
http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/painter7/

It's a very complex and wonderful program and LoTekk's brief description is a good one when it comes to the drawing and painting tools.

The interface is a bit overwhelming until you learn how to manage it. Then it can be quite easy to control and use however you like.

About the "Natural Media" (registered trademark) drawing and painting tools:

There are literally hundreds that are installed with Painter, hundreds more on the CD, and the Painter user can create endless numbers of his/her own brush variants to use specifically for the kind of work and style he/she uses. Any Painter user who owns the program and never bothers to learn how to do this is missing a great experience and capabilities no other program offers. One of the Painter artists recently shared a whole collection of his "Fine Art Brushes" at In Depth Discussions, and they're so beautiful and great to use that it feels to some of us as if we've had a new upgrade to the software. They simulate oil and acrylic brushes, by the way. Some paint flat color, some blend, some have smooth edges, some have rough bristly strokes. There are already brushes in Painter that do these things, but Chris's brushes seem to be even better.

Painter is designed to take full advantage of the Wacom tablet and pen's pressure sensitivity and brushes can be made to paint in all kinds of ways to control opacity, grain (paper texture), direction, velocity, tilt, bearing, size of the stroke, color, jitter.. and more. A brush can be made to load different colors on its bristles, paint with two colors, paint with color variability so that each stroke is a different color within a certain range on the color picker.

Pens, Felt Markers, and other brushes can be made to paint thick and thin brush strokes depending on pressure, direction, original source (designated image or pattern), etc.

Painter 7 Water Color brushes are amazing. You can literally watch the paint dry, control how the paint interacts with the current paper texture, lift a dry painting to a Water Color Layer, choose a Water Color Brush Variant and Paper, and wet the entire Water Color Layer then sit back and watch what was a dry painting turn into a watercolor painting with the characteristics of the chosen brush and paper.

Though I am most fond of Painter's drawing and painting tools, the software offers many other features including Movies (paint or otherwise create frames forQuickTime or animated GIFs); Dynamic Layer plugins like Liquid Metal, Liquid Lens, Bevel World, Kaleidoscope, Image Slicer, etc.; Clone Painting using Tracing Paper or point-to-point cloning; seamless tiles are easy as pie; Patterns and Paper textures can be either painted or created from any image or photo; Effects including the newer Woodcut, Distress, and Serigraphy; Mosaics.. and lots more.

Yes, there are loads of tutorials for Painter and new ones being written every day. There a oodles of them on my site that are good for beginner to intermediate level users.

If you'd like to learn more about Painter, there's a lot of information and many paintings and other images to be found at In Depth Discussions Painter Forum and on my site.. just to mention a couple of places. For a couple of great painting sites that also offer tutorials, take a look at Jeremy Sutton's (Jeremy's site has a page with lots of links to other Painter related sites) and Don Seegmiller's:
http://www.portrayals.com
http://www.seegmiller-art.com


Jinny Brown

PixelAlley Links - Jin's Painter Classes
see http://www.pixelalley.com
or the PixelAlley Section Links Page at: http://www.pixelalley.com/pixelalley-sections-pages.html
Visit us in the Painter Forum at In Depth Discussions: http://www.critical-depth.com/cgi-bin/idd/
______________________________________

[Jin]

quote:

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Originally posted by Digiworx:
okey, i c... seems like painter is a pretty
unusual program, altough i can't understand why someone would like to simulate real paint in a computer? someone who doesnt have afford ta buy brushes/paint etc, but do have
money for a computer & a program for $350..why not make a program that simulates
a little guy throwing paint on a floor and crawls around in it? (maby a little start on a tutorial there for Dr.Bang on how to make money heh )

btw, lalpooo - no hard feelings or anything but you seriosly need Alot of more practice.

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Painter is indeed an unusual program. Take a look at some pages published just prior to release of Painter 7 last August:
http://www.computerarts.co.uk/news/painter7/

"No hard feelings", but you need to learn a bit more about how various artists work, if you can't imagine why they would use a program to simulate natural media.

A few reasons to simulate natural media on a computer:

No toxic chemicals.

Speed and efficiency.

Space needed is minimal.

Work any time of day or nite without concern for daylight.

On a laptop, transport your work tools wherever you go with minimal "baggage".

Wider variety of drawing and painting tools at your fingertips and the capability of creating endless numbers of new tools to suit any project or style... probably some tools that don't exist in natural media or would be difficult to find/produce.

Repeatability - Painter offers the Scripts feature, to say nothing of the fact that an image or portions thereof can be easily repeated as part of another image.

Building on an existing image without destroying the original.

Creating multiple versions while developing the final image.

Doing some things cannot be done using traditional media (don't ask me to give examples.. I am repeating what expert Painter artists who earn a good living using Painter for childrens' book illustration, cartooning, etc. have said... obviously the gimmicks.. special effects, would be difficult to create using traditional media.. but they were referring to more "serious" art techniques).

[lalPOOO]

hey in reply to digiworkx post and with a question of my own,
digiworkx, Ive only been using photoshop for 2 and a hlaf weeks now, and i don't own a wacom and was working on those drawings with a very bad moniter (15" 2 dicolourations form accidently magnets, and several lines of dead pixels) luckily I now have an awesome 19" but also by praticice what excalty do I have to pratcse?
(sorry if i sound deffensive, I'm just letting you know what I was working with so it helps you know what to say)
and my other question is is there anywhere i can get a demo of painter?, because I have looked everywhere and the offical site doesn't have one, or I'm stupid and missed it.

[Digiworx]

okey, i c... seems like painter is a pretty
unusual program, altough i can't understand why someone would like to simulate real paint in a computer? someone who doesnt have afford ta buy brushes/paint etc, but do have
money for a computer & a program for $350..why not make a program that simulates
a little guy throwing paint on a floor and crawls around in it? (maby a little start on a tutorial there for Dr.Bang on how to make money heh )

btw, lalpooo - no hard feelings or anything but you seriosly need Alot of more practice.

[Digiworx]

lalpooo, oki, 2 & half weeks explains.
I don't mean to diss you or anything. Just keep on practicing . Me myself, neither
have an wacom, i'd sure like one but hey
im never been so poor like i am now

btw, u guys have tryed out Paint shop pro?
I got that program for about 3-4 years ago ,
psp 5.0 that is..) I just love it because
its simple, yet powerfull. And it doesnt make
my computer so slow like photoshop are.
But the two programs really work fine
together. I really recommend trying it out.

Man that painter program seems to be more
advanced than i ever thought. Now i understand if you guys who are into
oil-paintings & such, really appreciate a program like painter.

Please comment my first "attempt" =)

[lalPOOO]

yea, also what excalty do i need praticie on?

[sunraven0]

digiworx,
i've been using photoshop to make textures for 3d engines for a while, but this semester I am using both pshop & psp because of some of the tools psp has. As far as texturing goes, psp has a far better clone tool than pshop in my opinion...which is good for getting rid of shadows & stuff when making textures from photos. I had never really thought about using it until recently, have you used it much?
jil

[Digiworx]

sunravenO, Ive used it VERY much. Almost
every thing i work on - i'll start off in
psp & if there is some minor thingy to fix
wich i think ps does better then and only then i get into photoshop.