[tripclaw]

I was just wondering... I haven't done any real HTML work in years, it seems like it's a lot more complicated now-a-days... Do you guys still do all your HTML by hand? Meaning do you use notepad, HTML code editor, or a WYSIWYG editor like Macromedia's DreamWeaver?

Please inform my behind-the-times self.

[SouL]

Hmm, i use a combo of notepad and dreamweaver (just got it a few weeks ago). Notepad HTML isn't all that hard if you're making a basic website.

here's my site: http://www.geocities.com/soul_eraser99/

[edit] hah, 'do GOOD DESIGNERS..'. obviously i don't qualify as one, but to answer your question, i'm not sure. i'm guessin they probably use programs to speed up the process.
made with notepad, dreamweaver (for tables), and image read (for cut gfx)

[This message has been edited by SouL (edited February 25, 2001).]

[Loud]

You could write the code from the ground up in Dreamweaver. It just streamlines the whole process and saves you many hours of HTML pain. There's no reason not to use an editor if you have one, but there are people out there that love writing the code from the ground up.

Then it might just be a matter of preference. In my opinion, you will get the same result either way, although one way might be faster than the other.

[Ian]

Those crazies at Blizzard Entertainment do all their coding with notepad! They boggle my mind and I love them. heh.

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[strata]

I pretty much hard code all my pages... I don't really like the way dreamweaver formats the code and all the crappy extra tags and shit it throws in the code...

At one time I had done a page in dreamweaver and then went in with NoteTab (like notepad only better) and removed all the crap it threw in there, and pretty much cut the filesize in half...

I get pretty annoyed with the hard-code fanatics tho... I mean they totally shun wysiwyg editors and think that people who code in them are total lamers etc... which I think is kinda dumb... whatever gets the job done y'know.

Anyhow, knowing to hard code is pretty much the most important thing either way, caus you have to be able to tweak the code to get it to work in all browsers and stuff which alot of wysiwygs don't really take into consideration.

So my conclusion would be to hard code it except for the more advanced stuff like timelines and stuff... which dreamweaver is purdy good at.

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[Spitfire]

HTML by hand is bullshit. Its bragging for people who dont have a clue on priorities. A webdesigner is a designer not a developer. I dont want to spend 80% of my time fucking about with code when im employed as a designer. Dreamweaver works just fine and fast enough.

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[strata]

Depends on what you define webdesigner as.

Here we have a guy for the more advanced cgi/js that we can't handle, but other then that we webdesigners do everything on the page... design it, code it, write the scripts etc... we don't write the texts tho.



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[Spitfire]

The topic reads "Do good DESIGNERS sill do HTML by hand."

Good designers dont have the time to do html by hand. Good developers do, though.



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[nova]

yea Spit..

My current site was done all in notepad. I did it that way because.. well, i liked it that way.. just typing up code and seeing things happen. I'm working on a redesign though and plan to use ImageReady.

Of course, i'm not doing my personal site for a job, and enjoy spending the time coding. It's not complicated enough to be all that difficult. At work though we design the website layout and create graphics and have someone else do it in Cold Fusion. If we had to code it all ourselves it would take far too much time to meet deadlines.



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[travis travis]

If you want something nice looking and you aren't too graphics heavy, then doing it by hand isn't such a bad idea. Keeps things clean, and that can often show up in your layout, believe it or not. WYSISWYG leads you into a weird stew of code because of the nature of the thing, and pages can get f'd up because of it. But for a more modern, feature-intense page, it might make more sense to use an editor, but it's still not THAT hard to do by hand.

[Justin Kramer]

I still write by hand, but utilize HomeSite for shortcuts like auto-inserting widths and heights for images, and various custom macros. I actually find it faster than designing with a WYSIWYG editor. Most designs aren't very complicated to implement -- a few tables, a few images. I also like being able to optimize on the fly, and make sure that the HTML I'm writing will be compatible with the target audiences' browsers, whether v3, v4, or v5.

EDIT: oh, and I'm a designer and developer, so my priorities may be different if I was just one or the other. As it is, I like to go back and forth between the design (layout, images) and the developing (PHP, JavaScript, etc).



[This message has been edited by Justin Kramer (edited February 26, 2001).]

[Metz]

I dont know if i can call myself a good designer, but anyway. http://metz.xrs.net

I've been writing for a few years and i write it all manually, using notepad and homesite. allair homesite is a real nice program, it has got a lame design mode wich you should NOT use...

saying that writing html manually takes alot more time is so wrong, i bet that i use the same time as anyone else using frontpage or whatever. with html you got alot more control and you dont have to get all these bugs..

my 2 cents

~Metz

[Spitfire]

http://www.elcheapo.nl

143 unique templates.
3065 generated pages.

Have fun with notepad.



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[Metz]

Topic: Do good designers still do HTML by hand?

i thought he meant the design...

~Metz
http://metz.xrs.net

[v1510nAry]

pfft htmling by hand tottally utter madness (respect for people who do)..

I began doing it , then I noticed I had to remember to many stuff..
So thank macromedia for Dreamweaver imaging writing this www.e-n-i-g-m-a.co.uk by hand if u can and would u have a pretty mind

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[Jess]

blah blah blah.

People who brag "ooohh you're not a reeeeeal designer if you don't type out your code blah blah" those guys have the 'small penis' syndrome. They don't know what they're talking about.

I use dreamweaver. But don't look at my site, it is broken! =

[Metz]

im not saying that youre not a good designer if youre not using html manually. what i mean is that it as good (or better if you like it). and for designing a web page its not as slow as some people say it is + you got more control.

~Metz
http://metz.xrs.net

[strata]

I find myself agreeing with everybody here, both sides of the coin... =D

We don't have dreamweaver here at work at the moment so I'm sitting here hard coding everything... but if we did I'd use it here, caus it's a bit smoother... but if I'm doing a site for me, that has no timelimit and stuff... I'd rather hard code it... I get more of a buzz when I manage to finally get something working that I've hard coded all the way. More rewarding... but I guess in the end it's just a preference... unless you're a code git, those people can't stand wysiwyg code...

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[time_101]

hehe, been away for ages, not that i posted much before anyways. this thread caught my eye. Oh the eternal debate: shall thou code by hand or by the holy grail of dreamweaver?

Whichever, it's all good. At work I don't have the luxury getting to use a wysiwyg editor -- too much php scripting doing database pulls. On top of that, dynamically generated user menus are fun. Plus I don't paid to design, just develope. but that will change, oh yes it will (insert diabolical laughter here).

I think good designers must know how to do both. WYSIWYG for speed and simplicity, know the code for power. If a designer can do both, he or she is far more useful and adaptable to whatever is needed. Knowing just one is so limiting.

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[Chris]

Dreamweaver is good for quick turn around sites. But DW isn't perfect, and for more complex websites, there is no way around going into straight code and changing things around and fixing code.

[jcterminal]

i design on paper.

then i use photoshop for the actual digital work.

then i slice it up using imageready.

then i use dreamweaver to create templates.

then i use notepad to clean everything up.

from there it's just drag and drop.

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