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Freddio · Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2001 7:57 pm

Lens Flares AAarrghh...

heh

Loud · Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2001 9:11 pm

Didn't he invent the lens flare?
If not I give him explicit permission.

Tree Merchant · Guest Member #

It was a nasty Photoshop bug. Back in version 4.0 Photoshop would just go nuts creating random lens-flares all over the place. I know I had my share of encounters with that.. bug.. uhh.. shhh, just go with it.

Gotcha covered Craig-meister!
*rich guy smile, wink, and point*

:P

Guy · Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:26 pm

bah!... i think lens flares are fine as long as there used properly and not just because they can "look cool" or whatever. just my opinion though

spooge demon · Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:52 pm

A new thread for this?

I did this in 96, I think. At that time, lens flares were not the hunted animals they seem to be now.

Is it bad if it's appropriate? It is not an evil thing in itself.

Being easy to use does not make it off-limits, but being easy to use invites abuse.

So, yes, this cool thing has been soiled through abuse and overexposure. Is that my fault? I suppose I should go through my archives and paint them all out because of other peoples lack of restraint.

This is what I was talking about in the other thread. What other aspects of my work will go this way?

The easiest and most obvious aspects of my work I do see around. But hopefully, I am not just a limited bag of simple tricks. My confidence in that is why I am not too uptight about the whole thing.

Anthony · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 12:23 am

It's true, lens flares were much overused in cheap 3d animations(Lightwave 3-4) long before they became an abomination to other art forms as well.

Craig-I wouldn't worry myself if I were you. Competition's growing, but remember that you basically founded this field(or at least revolutionized it). I haven't seen anyone doing what you were doing 3 years ago(digitally). Maybe a few people trying to catch up to you will cause you to improve even faster.

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Plop · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 12:31 am

tayete · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 12:43 am

The only thing I have to put the blame on Mr. Craig's art, is that since I met his pictures I've noticed I try (*inconciously*) to make my DP look like his. I used to love smudged shadows and so, and now I find myself stroking like mad without caring of blending the strokes together.

Andrew Coval · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:26 am

A few more threads like this and Craig's gonna leave this forum for good, I know everyone is unhappy that spooge decided to go slower on sharing his knowledge with us, so am I but get over it...

ceenda · member Member # Joined: 27 Jun 2000 Posts: 2030

Since when did Digital Art Discussion become the:-

"Agony Craig" angst column?

Sheesh! Leave the poor guy alone for a bit!

micke · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:05 am

Freddio, what were you thinking?

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Freddio · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:35 am

Spooge Spoooge Come back!!! dont leave us!

sorry Craig it was a joke.

although id actually think they are inappropriate in that pic

but thats my opinion.

sorry again no harm intended

Tree Merchant · Guest Member #

Oh no! WHHYY??

Hmm.. I just realized something. If Craig actually left these forums, I'd genuinely be quite sad..is that pathetic? :P

I feel like he offers SOOOOO much of his time and effort to help everyone. He is a very busy guy I suspect, but he always takes the time to help people out. I think that is incredibly cool. I think that's what makes him different from all the other "greats". I mean, when was the last time you saw Frazetta compose a tutorial for a bunch of forum geeks? Exactly.

Duckman2 · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:32 am

Yeah, I mean come on they happen to be well used in this particular peice, it's just the icing on the cake

Duckman2 · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:36 am

Furthermore, I'm not being a brown noser but Craig is a proffesional and art is his trade he like the rest of you have the right to your own secrets and you also have the right to share the techniques.

Joachim · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:49 am

I never understood these rules of don't use this, don't use that, Ofc. things can be abused..but if you use it for what they are for, does it really mater if you actually brushed it manually or not ? I don't care...

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Freddio · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:58 pm

well it depends.. are you trying to parse your painting to look like a photograph? if so I can see the use of lense flares and so on very helpful the percieve the viewer..

but if it a painting, well it looks out of place to me seeing that ive never seen a painting with a lense flar on it

can some people post some more lense flare pics.. mainly in photos.. so we can have a look aty how they should be?

Duckman2 · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 4:48 pm

The last time someone posted a photo with filters he got blasted, so I don't think that will happen again.

Freddio · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 5:45 pm

sigh..

noone reply to this because theres nothing else to say.

debump

rdgraffix · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:29 pm

One final thing, on the lens flares. I have to attribute the best use of a lens flare I've seen to Spooge:

Lens flares, like all other filters, are not 'evil' or 'wrong', merely untamed in their natural form. No tool should be discarded: merely put it aside, wait for the right time and use it correctly.

(sorry Freddio, couldn't help myself)

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Freddio · Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2001 7:43 pm

yes that is a good lens flare..

Cougar · member Member # Joined: 24 May 2000 Posts: 73

That's an example of a good used flare... but it can be used sooooo badly, in combination with all those other *shiver* filters, it just ain't funny anymore (If it ever was to start with).

travis travis · Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:09 am

I think a lot of times people disregard what a lens flare is, also. It's for an effect of a LENS. Is there a reason for your art to be seen through a camera? And if so, are you doing it realistically? Are you experimenting with a camera at least to see how you'll have to set the effect up? Is there any reason you can't draw what you need yourself, instead of just using a 'novelty' like filters? It's like throwing clip-art into your fine art. Have some respect for yourself.

cheers

Bradford · Guest Member #

i think the main reason behind a lens flare looking so tacky is because they look THE SAME in every picture the artists puts them in. it would be like taking a small texture and seeing it in millions of different works by people. it simply gets annoying after a while.

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Awetopsy · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2001 5:29 pm

thus spake Spooge.

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Sap · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2001 5:43 pm

I think freddio has a boner fer craig

:/

Sap

Booya Grandma!! Suck it!!

Freddio · Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:57 pm

grow up you wet sap...