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Frost
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:16 pm     Reply with quote
I need to draw/paint more, so I'll try to do so in the following days/weeks. I just wanted to start a thread where I will keep posting these images into each time there's something new, instead of starting another one each time.

Feel free to give out advice on how I can improve stuff. Thanks!

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(Painted the sky tones from outside my window, but added a different scenery, cause I live in the city. House out of perspective, the truck in the parking lot is 3/4 the size it should be. blah.)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:22 pm     Reply with quote
Great peice.. despite the flaws you pointed out, this is a really nice peice, it gives a real sense of the end of a long day.. The trees look good and the sky is cool too..

And i like how your picture has depth, not as many artist use perspective lately, its all about BAM, right in your face, not too much depth.. and not enough scenery..

If it isnt too much trouble, can you go a lil into how you made this cool peice?

once again, nice job..
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:28 pm     Reply with quote
that looks beautiful

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 5:53 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice Frost, particulary like the peach hue in the house windows. yum.

(/Edit: Was just looking over your painting again, have one tiny comment. The composition is a bit wierd -- too spontaneously filled, like a snap shot. The center of the painting is a post [at this moment I forget their names, gg 3am], one single dash in the center. It's too ordinary, perhaps if there was a pattern that lined the roads to make it more eye-catching. Too many, though, would crowd the balance of mass you have at the moment, which brings me to second comment.

...This would be to expand the size of the canvas, and include more details what the viewer can see -- hills, distant mountains, forests. More houses, perhaps, to suggest greater depth. The colors you used are absolutely lovely, and I think it would be nice to see that peach-lighting in other distant windows of houses, tiny flickering lights in the distance enveloped by hills.

Ok, just personal opinion =)]


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 6:41 pm     Reply with quote
Well frost...i wouldnt be complaining. I could never do that...not yet.


Bwhahah...no really... i really like the picture, a bit dark to see details, but i guess that's the level of lighting
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 6:46 pm     Reply with quote
Beautiful colours Very easy on the eyes. The composition draws the eye to near the centre of the piece--would be nice if there was more happening there...IMHO of course

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 8:40 pm     Reply with quote
Frost, well what can i say..
Amazing piece of art as always, i love the mood you depict in the image, has a nice warm feel to it.
I like it like this, keep up the nice work

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2000 11:16 pm     Reply with quote

Frost,
That picture is very nice I think ! And, it's really good that you haven't paintet it from a photo, but from your window.

In my opinion, every pic like this deserve it's own thread

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 12:41 am     Reply with quote
I like the atmosphere in this picture very much. The light is great. How long did it take?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 1:04 am     Reply with quote
I want to sit there with a sixpack and some cigarettes, enjoy the warm indian summer evening and think about life!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 2:27 am     Reply with quote
Atlast a new picture from Frost
I like it very much, the colours
and silhoulettes creates a very moody atmosphere. Since you allready have pointed out the mistakes, i don't have anything to add. Nice one!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 4:04 am     Reply with quote
aaah... at long last... Another one for my Frost collection! Glad to see you finally picked up that Wacom pen again ol' buddy! This image has a real nice feeling to it. Maybe you could turn it into a nice panoramic image? As in double the horizontal canvas size?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 5:12 am     Reply with quote
You guys are too nice... =)

Nightime - Thanks a lot for the pointers! Indeed, I don't know very much about image composition and guide lines to a focal point in the image. The image was simply created from the skyline from my window view, and the colors where of a nice configuration, so I decided to paint it in the little time it remained there for reference. =)

Joachim - Thank you. =) But I just think I'll keep this thread pumping with my images instead for a small while, at least I feel I'll be contributing to keeping this forum a little less crowded.

Nil900 - The image took me about 45 minutes to do. As I mentioned above, the sky colors did not stay very long so that had to be done in a hurry (2 minutes), then the out-of-perspepctive rest was just added after... hehe =)

Danny - Thanks Dan. =) Funny that you mentioned the panoramic canvas by doubling the horizontal, since I DID try that yesterday (weird!!)! I ended up downscaling the image near the beginning to the res you see here, so, that's pretty much out of the question for obvious reasons. =)

Everyone - Thank you very much. I'll most probably be posting a new image in, hmm, 12 hours or so... =) I might consider enlarging the canvas and making this one a bit better. See you later... got to get to work before my boss gets in... =)

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PS - I'm the kind of guy that doesn't go over his pics, modifying them. I'd rather start a new one from scratch and learn from there, so please don't get your hopes up on me making changes to the pics shown here... I MIGHT, but chances are I won't (plus I'm a lazy bum =).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:19 am     Reply with quote
Hey Frost, that is very cool! =)
I really like the colors, looks like a comfy place
... mmmmm... red..


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:33 am     Reply with quote
Very nice with warm and soft tones.

It has a very calming effect...I wish I would
have seen this last night before I went to
sleep...I probably would have slept better!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 7:48 am     Reply with quote
Very nice... looks like it would make a great cover for a Stephen King novel or something.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 12:12 pm     Reply with quote
There's nothing wrong with re-working something until it's perfect
Or you could re-start the truck and house from scratch..
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 2:26 pm     Reply with quote
Looks great, Frost. Keep on posting your new ones The trees look great...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 2:35 pm     Reply with quote
Niiiice... can we post stuff tooo ???

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 5:15 pm     Reply with quote
Binke - Hehe, thanks. =)

The Dude - Don't forget to look at it TONIGHT before going to sleep... =)

Snake - Sure, but I don't like doing that.. eek, I don't know why. =)

Jenn - It's a free world, sure.

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Well, as promised, here's another one I started yesterday night. which I just finished. I got fed up and wanted to release it, so anyway. I didn't flip to see the flaws or anything like that, sorry. =) This was primarily a ligthing and shadowing excercise, I hope Fred can point out some flaws in it. Please comment on it and point out what I did wrong and how I should have done better. Thanks! (oh, that took a total of ~5 hours, no reference).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 5:19 pm     Reply with quote
You're freakin awesome.

And your art is good too =)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 5:44 pm     Reply with quote
Oh, that reminds me. I got this problem in photoshop at work today, where I apply a contrast adjustment to a pic, and the result is different that what is in the preview window of the contrast modifier. I have limited knowledge of photoshop, but I know my way around ok... yet I spent 15 minutes trying to figure out what I had accidentally toggled, I tried everything I could think of in all the panels, tabs and preferences, and couldn't find anything... I eventually gave up, frustrated, and left work.

If anyone knows what this might be, let me know... or else I'll just trash my photoshop configurations and reset everything back... (I freakin' hate complexe software).

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:30 pm     Reply with quote
The light on the inside of her left bra support seems off-the lighting shouldn't extend higher than it is outside the support. Also, what's up with the bridge of her nose? I dunno, looks like someone busted her up quite a bit. You have quite complex shadows though-were you using reference? Some of them seem a tad chaotic, but in general they look right on. Nice job!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:48 pm     Reply with quote
Great job on both pieces! I was going to comment on the scenery pic, however NIGHTIME said pretty much everything I was going to say. I would add just one thing from a composition point of view. You could add a compositional element up close. I think it would a. frame the composition, and b. push the depth even more.

The portrait looks great too! I would personally shrink the nose a bit, since it looks pretty big. However, if you want to leave it the way it is, then I think I would adjust the nostrils just slightly to match the size of the nose. Your call. I also think the eyes could use a bit more 'depth'. Fred made some great points in his eye-tutorial. Other than that though, I Love the rendering and think the chain around her neck is beautiful!

What kind of brushes/airbrush did you use to get such a smooth look?

Hope those comments are useful...

-chris
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 6:48 pm     Reply with quote
I like both of the images alot Frost!
please take a look at my internet site
and look at my work in progress
i need advice on the side view of a woman's face.
I'd really appreciate any advice you can
give me...

thanks



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2000 8:04 pm     Reply with quote
oh man, frost.. those are some GREAT colors in that portrait. the light seems so real. nice job.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2000 9:26 am     Reply with quote
Anthony - Regarding the light on the inside of the 'bra' support... yeah, I don't know where THAT comes from, I think I may have overlooked it while doing final lighting adjustments. Good eye. =) Her nose, hm, yes... hehe, I'm not very good at drawing noses. I guess I'll be practicing that a bit more for a while. Thanks! =) And no, I used 0% reference, so feel free to point out errors in shading... for one thing, I should have made the greener light have less effect near the center of the face as the surface becomes more perpendicular to the light source...

Liquid! - Thanks for the input and comments. The nose is a little big, and I might go back on it since there's a few comments on it. The eye note is also very valid, in fact, I always had problems rendering eyes, I guess it's a plain lack of understanding of their properties, also something for me to work on. =) I never used the airbrush in photoshop, everything is done by overpainting with the intensities I want, usually with a hard brush to get the tones right, then, in this case for example, sampling colors and tones from the image (ALT+click) and going over the portions I need to with a soft-edge brush. Snake Grunger also made me a great deal of different sized brushes which came in very handy while drawing the image, since I always paint with the brush set to opacity testing, and I rarely use the size option.

Anthony J - Hey, I remember that frozen dog! Hehe, kidding... just remembering the thread. =) The stuff on your site looks nice, perhaps a bit more flat then my stuff, but it comes out better and more realistic... I tend to over-exaggerate lighting and shadows, testing my knowledge of lighting... but in reality, many things as such are so subtle... I need to take a look at the larger picture instead of thinking in methods. Nice work, post the stuff you're working on when you're done!

Icannon - Hey Ican! Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2000 9:35 am     Reply with quote
great pictures!
you really inspired me with that portrait.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2000 12:36 pm     Reply with quote
Frost It's too bad you can't change the title
of this thread to "Frost's Thread-O-Cool-Stuff"
cuz that's what it is.

btw I posted this reply before I stabbed my
eyes out with my wacom pen in the airbrush
girl thread...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2000 5:03 pm     Reply with quote
I'm with humanclay, your stuff rocks.

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