[mannyp]

The Cube is a rich-man's iMac without the small monitor. (IMHO of course). You can't even replace the video card for crying out loud!

Regarding to the comments earlier posted about Macs not having a lot of software is pure horsesh*t. Macs have PLENTY of software -- and then some. It seems to me that there are a couple of seriously disillusioned elitists here that still follow the banal and old out-of-date mindset that Win machines are top dog. Don't believe the hype.

So, in short -- if you decide to keep the Mac, forget the Cube (sell it and get a G4 Tower) if you want to get your money's worth; and no, Macs are NOT more expensive than PCs. Besides, you can always get an OrangeMicro PC card installed into a G4 tower, or get Virtual PC (you can save the state of the Win OS, so if something happens when you install new software/drivers -- and it will -- you can revert to the previous state) and run Win programs on your Mac. Ha! Lets see Win do that! ;p

Cheers

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[CyberArtist]

Neither is really better. The PC certainly has more support for the high end 3d graphics, though with Maya coming to the G4, things may change, though probably not. The fastest 3d video cards around are still for the PC only.

I, personally, use the PC, but only because I far more used to working on a PC, and would be lost trying to work on a mac if the system starts getting tweeked.

Besides... working in Photoshop with all those windows everywhere and still being able to see the stuff behind it is annoying.



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[Jerry]

thanx... keep it coming I almost know which one to sell now

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[Jerry]

isn't the software for macs more expensive though?

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[Jerry]

isn't the software for macs more expensive though? Just a little fact here

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[mykscholze]

No! The software costs the same and there are over 12,000 titles for the Mac. Why sell what you have it will last you well into the next five years of your carreer and OSX, contradictory to what some on this thread believe is MUCH more powerful than any PC Operating system past or present. As far as 3D is concerned, Maya the best 3D program on the market was eager to jump at the opportunity to port a version over to the OSX carbon standards.

If you want to see what most of the professional studios use, just visit one you will find that they use Mac's. The only PC's can be found in the offices or in the web department for testing code.

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[SporQ]

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OSX, contradictory to what some on this thread believe is MUCH more powerful than any PC Operating system past or present.

not really. pure Unix could blow it away on performance, but lets see you run photoshop on Unix

it's definately going to be better than any winblows software. it is mainly based on a Unix system. now that is definately better than any windows stuff, but the more cruft you throw on there, the less stable it gets. I have read a few reviews that the designers let to much eyecandy in. eyecandy is good for about 10 minutes. no matter how pretty it is, it will become old hat soon. give me stability and performance.

Dont get me wrong, it's still making me consider giving up my PC only world, especially if you have the option of turning all the special effects off.

what i would like to see is photoshop ported over to Unux (and no, despite popular belief, GIMP is not comparable. not yet anyway)

and i dont think anybody would argue with the cinema display debate.

SporQ

[SporQ]

let me add that if money wasnt an option, i'd go Mac, but pc stuff is so darn cheap

SporQ

[mannyp]

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Originally posted by Jerry:
isn't the software for macs more expensive though? Just a little fact here

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Man, no. No. No. No. Not in a million years. Just go to a site that offers Mac and Win software and compare.

Check adobe.com's site and read up on the price list -- that's a good starting point.


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[[Shizo]]

And most importantly.. there is no warez for MACs! hehehehe if not for warez i wouldn't be drawing and making music now, or using computer at all.. But i know most people here have enough money so it's not a problem :)

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[Jerry]

I see but there's one more problem... I have T3 connection and like downloading games for my PC off the net... It's hard to find stuff for Macs

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[mykscholze]

You are not looking hard enough.

[FrageNSTEIN]

I have an 800mhz Athlon PC w/ 128mb RAM... and no Mac, but I've seen them, and I do know that my comp handles Photoshop quite smoothly.

[Chapel]

Jerry: If you go to Babbage's or Electronics Boutique there is usually a small 2 shelf display in the middle of the room towards the back of the stores that has Mac stuff.

Personally I like to choose items from all of the shelves surrounding it. Although, the new Mac cube is probably the coolest paper weight I have ever seen. If I didn't already have a portable CD player I would probably get one.

[Jerry]

Uncles gonna come tommorow and I still don't know which one to sell

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[Shadowman]

I had the same problem when I was deciding to buy a computer. It's a very expensive choice to make.
As a working professional Graphic Artist I would suggest USING A MAC. Every company that I've worked for uses Mac.
Most companies that do graphics from logo design to packaging and prepress use Mac because it's easier to organize your files. You have Icons for your Photoshop Files. You can pull files around on the desk top for faster navigation. Also Mac has ColorSync for scanning and printing PC doesn't.

[[Shizo]]

Heh... PC doesn't have ColorSync? heh heh
Anyway pick PC, it's simple. All companies who use MACs know nothing about hardware, they assume if it costs much more, it must be much better! NOT
PC are cheap, new technologies for PC come out every month/week, no problem upgrading to have a top notch machine. Plus no gay-ass APPLE symbol on your box with damn smoothed shiny and unpractical AQUA PLASTIC.

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[Jerry]

I use to buy mac products form EB but the reason I got T3 connection was to download programs from the net

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[JayBee]

Okay - I've got a PC and an ibook.

Must admit that I prefer using the ibook for webwork, and the PC for bigass gfx work, but that's just to do with resolution, not power.

Frankly, there's not much between them. I grew up with the Atari ST, so the GUI on a Mac is nice and familiar, while the PCs is funtional too (I use litestep - YAY!).

At the end of the day, it comes down to the GUI - if you're looking to do gfx work of any kind, then you can get the best packages on both platforms.

For users who have been with windows since 3.1, familiarity is key. If you are lost without your start button, and need to have the menu bar attached to all open windows, the Wintel it is.

Hoever, if you persevere with MacOS, I find it's much more flexible and usable. Just about anything can be configured if you spend enough time with it. A lot of PC users complain that MacOS isn't as intuitive as Windows. Think about that amount of time you've spent learning windows' ins and outs, then compare with the amount of time you dabbled with MacOS

Traditionally, Apple is the choice for graphics. As such (and as someone stated) most gfx companies use them as standard. What the rights and wrongs of this are don't matter - the fact is, if you work in the gfx industry, you'll be expected to know macs. Saying that PCs are cheaper/better won't matter if you're going for a job, and the other candidate knows MacOS inside out

Finally (yes, he does shut up eventually) I've ALWAYS found Macs more stable. There seems to be a bitter divide on this one, but put it this way - I leave my mac running for weeks on end, it maybe dies once. I switch back to my PC and keep losing tonnes of work cos I forget I have to save every five minutes!

I think it's partly because MacOS is much cleaner than Windows - if you install a program, it whacks all the program files in one folder, and doesn't take over bits of your system. You don't have to clean up after anything, or worry about resource conflicts.

My advice - get familiar with both. You have the chance to, and it can only do your future carreer good!

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[[Shizo]]

HAHAHAH!!!! I'm crazy!
I just wrote about twice as much as JayBee about MACs and PCs and servers, OS, reliability, security, hardware, communities, and software.. (and loads more).

But then i thought "hehehe WTF am i doing?". So i select everything and type THIS over it all

boredom..

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[Jerry]

well I here by anounce that I've sold the Mac for $3000 to my uncle... This money is going back for svaings for University

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[Rob M]

PC's all the way. I love the ability to build my computer from the case to the motherboard, deciding exactly what I want every part to be.
The control offered with a PC is much more than with a Mac, you simply have more options.

Really, you can do anything with a PC, it's the workhorse of computers. A Mac is literally designed around graphics and photoshop is optimized for Mac's so it would make sense that they'd (or the most part) handle graphics better.

The things about Mac's is that our so limited. You have pretty much one OS to go with (don't reply with some lame argument about the different versions of the MAc OS, because they are all the same damn thing for the most part), you can't get as much hardware, and Mac's are the very definition of proprietary computers.

You can't just decide you want to upgrade and go buy a new processor or motherboard.

Anyways, like I said, I like the control that a PC offers.

[[Shizo]]

I tried to say something like Rob M but my englis skillz didn't allow.. Anyway read Rob M's post! He means what i say. Err, he SAYS what i mean

[Jerry]

Thanx for supporting me... although there was some odd comments... but I never built my new PC the NetVista came as one whole thing and god you can really apreciate a 18" flat screen.

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[karnov]

First of all, I belive this topic was posted to start a flame war. I don't realy care, I am gonna post anyway.

Pc - Great top end performance, Snapy, Many options for customization, multiple OSs (but lets be seriouse, if you want to create art you are gonna go with 2k or NT 4), Lots of apps (more than the mac but the only arena that benefits an artist is the 3d arena for now), Poor ergonomics, MANY hardware choices, Alot of "Tweak-ability", If you build a beige box, it has a very sweet price point, Peer support... blah, blah, blah... Nice choice.

Mac - Great top end performance, Snapy, Many options for customization, a few OSs (but at this point lets be seriouse, if you want to create art you are gonna go with 9.04), Lots of apps (less than the pc by far, but equal in quality apps, macs take a hit in pro 3d),nice hardware choices (when you buy a mac, the stock parts are premium for the most part. Then you get to use somewhere between 80-90% of the peripherals and add on cards as the pc, the other 15% aren't that big of a deal, a little bit of "Tweak-ability", If you buy a mac, you will love the feel. Belive me as I write this post on my pc, the noise of my fans makes me wish I was at work on my mac(which, by the way, has a fan/s but they are MUCH, MUCH Quieter, almost not audible. Oh and it is Dual processor) ... Nice choice.

I use both. I love the Speed of both. Because of the MHZ gap, you can buy a faster pc dollar for dollar but but you give some things up. If you use a mac, for an extended period, you will love the little things, they add up. If you buy a pc, you will love the price, money is a concern. Things may go wrong with your Mac on the hardware front but your warranty from apple will make things less of a pain/expense. With your beige box, hardware will go bad but if you remembered to fill out and send in all of your different warranty cards, you will slowly get part replacements. The fact is, You will probably NOT fill out your cards and if you do, the will probably be voide because you "tweeked" your hardware. The positive for pcs here? PC Parts are inexpensive but the mac still wins the reliability card here.
If you are going 3d, I suggest, go PC in a big way, Graphics card choices and 3d software are just plain SUPERIOR on the WINTEL/WINAMD platform. If cost is an issue, it is a toss upp, because I think performance is at a point where the 799 Imac(the lowest end mac available from apple) is SWEET for comfort reasons, and with a little extra ram, it would have no problem handling LARGE PS files (it would even play Q3 at a very acceptable speed.)A pc for 799, would rock as well. The PC zealot would start selling you a pretty kick ass PC for $800 but then you would have to ask them, where is the monitor? A major advantage for the imac in the cheapo arena... So I give this card to the mac.

Middle/High end 2d graphics Bitmap and Vector,
I love Macs and PCs equaly here.... But not for the same reasons....
A dual G4 450 is a sweet price/performance mac... But the single processor G4 450 is sweeter (until OSX comes into its own, 2 years?, the dual is just braggin' rights). A Single 450 with 512 MB ram or better, DVD, Firewire, Proformance dualhead Graphics card with 2 nice monitors... or maybe just the ATI card with a single NICE monitor... Big drives... blah blah blah... A bit pricey? YES, Reliable,Fast,Quiet,Ergonomic? Hell Yes.
A PC - at the same price, Not much of a speed difference(at least in practicle use). When these little Mac/PC wars come around, PC zealots usually don't compare apple's to apple's(pun intended) What do I mean? - They put all of the money into the Processor/s and Graphics Card and they forget about other important peripherals.... The Macs have very nice NICs, the PC guys, a $10 card... The Computer's Case? Very high quality, easy access on the mac, $50 Mid tower beige box for the pc (you are gonna scrape some knuckles upgrading in this baby)...

Am I long winded or what.... Enough of me...

My answer, Keep the mac, sell the PC. Why you would have purchased a cube is beyond me, but make the best of it and pimp that box out with a nice 512MB DIMM... The lack of the fan and the General overall feel of the Computer will mean MUCH MORE in the months and years o come... Have fun

karnov_

[Rob M]

Speaking of the cube, that box has to be geared towards the computer illiterate, upper class because I can't think of any computer tech who would want to work in a toaster.

When I built my current machine I made certain to get one of the biggest damn cases I could find.
It's a full tower standing just over 2 feet high. I can really get in there and work.
It has six 5.25" drive bays and two exposed 3.5" floppy bays. 300watt PSU (power supply).

I do like how the G4's come apart for easy access, but the rest of the case makes me wanna hurl.
They've made the mac into freaky retro furniture!

It almost seems like Apple is pushing towards making their computers more of a novelty item lately. What with the new looks and stuff, I just don't see it being practical.

[Rob M]

Almost forgot to post this, I found it a few years ago.

[Jerry]

hahahaha... did you make that... that is awesome

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[Jerry]

Can I post that on my page?

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[Hazoc]

[Shizo] wrote:
>And most importantly.. there is no warez for >MACs!


Fuck it...everything is avaible. There is a little programm called Hotline which is like Napster, but only for entire HardDrive.