[Cos]

really cool pierre.. altho something about the fire I do not like, looks kind of fake...

[Frost]

Pierre: Very nice - all I can say is that the fire looks VERY fake unfortunately. =( The rest is awesome!

[micke]

Nice one Pierre!
My favorite from you.
-Mikael

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[Jenn]

Nice layout and figures. I agree with Frost's comments on the fire tho..

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[Nightime]

Exciting !

Yah, only crit is the fire.. maybe the fire's contrast is too high?

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[Isric]

looks fine to me.
I'm really glad you stayed here. After that whole fiasco with the photo references and such.
i really dig this. A lot.

[pierre]

Thanks for the comments,

about the fire:

Seeing it with your eyes, I agree fully with you about the fake appearance of it. I actually thought I got the hang of it, painting the fire that is. I feel that it is much like painting trees, you go the fractal way, add the big flames, then smaller flames in it. I don't know, but I believe I went too far, gave it a "crispy" look.

A question though, before I start to change the look of the fire. Does the fire look face only in the high rez or even on the image posted on this forum? how about the thumbnail, does it look fake there too?
How about the colors.

Yes nightime, I feel too, now, that the contrast is too high, and that has some to do with the total "molding" of the fire too, which obviously went wrong.

I would appreciate any comment on this fire question since it will determine in what way I will change the fire.


Pierre



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[YourMum]

Hey, pierre! Very nice. I can feel the motion... moody.

-Juha-

[Joachim]

very nice pierre. this is also one of my favorite from your work. Nice colors and everything. Agree a bit about that left flame, but I have no idea how you should solve it. Maybe you could put in some branches or something to add some darker areas and break it up a bit ?

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[Solitaire]

*speechless* .....that's cool
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hey psst can you please tell how you do this fire..

[Jezebel]

Looks great!!

I think one problem with the fire is that there is too much yellow... it's very very bright. You might wanna add some more oranges and reds or something? Here's a fire image I dug up real fast to try and show you want I meant -
http://div.dyndns.org/beth/fire.jpg

Might also look good to show debris and ash flying up through the fire.

-Beth

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[Dhabih]

i think one thing that happens with fire is that if its in the middle of the day, the fire should look a lot more red & orange than yellow and white....

your fire might look more correct in a night setting, but since its daytime, maybe thats why its odd.

i think.

[DarkBlade]

The fire that you have there works well for explosions. Perhaps add a few hints of another color, as if it were caused by magic?




~DarkBlade

[plant42]

Awesome. I dig the flames, but I think they should cause more highlights on the armor.
This kicks ass in my book. But then again, I think photo reference is just as valuable as any other tool in the box.
Or, 'there are no rules to art' if you prefer.
Keep posting!

plant 42

[Flexible Elf]

That is awesome Pierre. It's definitely my favorite of yours. Way cool. Fire is definitely way tricky.

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[toast!]

yes, very cool definitly your best

I love that moustache man behind, he sounds so real !

[Ampa]

Hmmm the fire issue : a tricky one. Some how it looks a bit too opaque. Fire in the day is actually fairly transparent, with a lot of heat haze distorting what ever is behind the flames. And a bit more smoke?

Just a couple of thoughts. Ampa.

PS - Found a few pics of fire in daylight...

http://cbc.ca/cp/world/000105/w010523.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/news/07/0709/flames.jpg

[This message has been edited by Ampa (edited November 14, 2000).]

[waylon]

Hmm, yes, that's one thing that seems to be lacking... SMOKE! Ok, so there's a little, but compared to Ampa's pics, it really seems to be missing.

I think what might be wrong with the fire itself is a combination of where you put the bright areas and how you textured it. It seems odd to have the bright white reaching all the way up to the top of the flames. It would likely be more concentrated towards the bottom. As far as the texture of the fire... it seems like the overall form needs some more long tendrils reaching up. Too much little noodling going on.

But the knights look awesome (their horses too!) You've really done a great job giving the scene convincing lighting.

[Sephy]

FIRE!!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

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[Frost]

Hey Pierre, sorry for pointing it out but not giving any help... here is some.

First, fire is combustion, a gas, translucent. I believe the color white represents the most heat, and combusting wood would not produce such energy, rahter, stick with orangey with perhaps purple0ish tones I think, or do a quick research on the colors of fire with regards to energy.

The second thing I'd point out is the lack of smoke (possibly more diffused) in the foreground... the funny thing is that you HAVE smoke in your background, a nice whispy thin smoke lit by sunlight, yet the front is lacking that subtlety... perhaps try to make the fire less opaque and blend it a lot more with the smoke. (fire->heatwaves->smoke)...

The fire as it stands is overly saturated and I can clearly make out 3 steps from white, yellow, and bright red.

Hope this helps a little.

[Fred Flick Stone]

Here is some flame reference from online. The flames you have in the image are far too bright, and consume the composition. It would be nice to see you organize the flames shapes compositionally, allowing some of the cool colors in the background to come up through and lessen the intensity. Also, you might want to consider more ornagy hues, or lean into the reddish direction for the flames during the day. They seem to glow like at night, far too bright.
Very nice renderings on the knights though. Very nice image all in all...keep em rolling in...

[shahar2k]

Fred, how do you know it's too bright? maybe it's a chemical fire?
actually, if this is at night the fire'd be just fine, but I'm no fire expert except...
why is the horse's head casting a shadow to the viewer's left? (I don't see the fire affecting the overall lighting of the picture)

to quote the immortal words of Bevis "Fire! FIRE! FIRE! Fiiiirrrrreee! I AM CORNHOLIO!"

[pierre]

Much happened to the composition and this is what turned out.

There is a HIGH REZ on this address:

http://www.crosswinds.net/~pierrehannah/digitalpaintings/knightfinal.html



Pierre

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[Dhabih]

very cool

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[silber]

hi pierre
to answere your question
I think the fire looks ok in the high-res
-->maybe because of I can't see the whole image at once


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[jHof]

Chemical fire in that timeframe(No good with dates.), not likely. Unless theres a WITCH! AH WITCH!

I really dig this image, hope'n to see what you came up with after the feed back if you have changed anything.

[sear]

pierre,
my favorite of yours.

[pierre]

Once again, thank you all for helping me "see" the fire with fresh eyes.

As you can see, the fire has taken a different look at this rework. Don't know if it for the better, please let me know.

Made some major changes:

1) color change

2) more smoke

3) more transparancy

4) composition change

5) more clearly defined smoke




Pierre

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[This message has been edited by pierre (edited November 17, 2000).]

[Tinusch]

That's an awesome pic. I still think the fire is off though... Too bright, too colorful. Look at those sample pics above. None of them contain that blinding white in the fire. Yellow/orange is the brightest color in any of them. I think if you toned down the fire and gave it less color variation, it would look perfect.

[pierre]

Nightime,

As for the shadow goes on the left side of the horse, which horse? both? Well both farthest of the knights and horses has some indication of the warmer light of the fire hitting it. It is daylight, and the sun is is not covered by clouds, as can be seen by the sharp edges of the shadows. If one would compare the intensity of the sunlight to that of the light of the fire, it would be many thousands time stronger. The intensity of the light increases by the square of the distance to it. Now the light is quite near the horses, therefor that warm light on the shadow parts of the knights and horses, but not enough to play out the sunlight at the lit sides of the knights. However, maybe the warm light caused by the fire is too subtle though.

The fire,

I tried to tone the bright areas down, using more red and orange than white and yellow. I liked the intensity that the white and yellow caused, thus I didn't completely remove those tones. Maybe they need to be taken away though. In this pic, I find it very difficult to "kill my darling", but maybe I should. Really am not sure yet.

Pierre