[Rinaldo]

This is done with a limmited colour palette. red, yellow, B+W in an attempt to rally my flaging colour sense. I learnt all sorts of stuff that I really should have known before.
It's not finsished yet. I thought I would get some other eyes to look it over before I polished it off.
I was after crits, mostly to do with the rendering and colours. I'm not overly interested in changing the actuial drawing at this stage.
I did it in pencil, scanned and then painted in PS.
the subject is just one of those goblin things that I was sketching recently. Don't know why I painted it. It was just a bit of a study in colour and value.

All comments appreciated

[sear]

good job mate.
like the picture.

[aquamire]

I really like this pic Rinaldo, and the use of colors.

I'm wondering however, how far you can take the limited palette with photoshop? It seems that this technique is better suited for non-digital painting. I believe in Fred's post on the limited colors, he was able to make other colors, such as purple. Was that just an optic illusion or the mixing of simple colors? Because if it was the mixing of colors, you cant quite do that in photoshop.

My knowledge of color is very limited. Something I really need to work on. Please educate me.


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[Void]

All I can say is: 80-year old Grinch reenacting Excalibur

[Rinaldo]

I think it sould be simmilar



These are some of the colours I was able to get. the last four are the ones that I started with. You can get a purple but you have to use another colour next to it get things looking how you want. Blue is hard, I just used a grey and it looks blue when you put it near other colours. you can get a lot of colours but they are not very saturated. you can do some wierd things by placing differnt colours next to each other.
What I was able to get is nwhere near the potential of the colours. However it helped to get everything harmonious.

Void: I think I saw that movie advertsed. Probably have to scrap these concepts because of it . It looked pretty bad.
I was just playing around. this is not how I thought of the Goblins when I was drawing them.

*Sigh*

[Rinaldo]

Made some changes. the gold on the armour had waaaaayy too much yellow highlight. looks better now. maybe still to much, Hmmmmm......

[waylon]

Ok, i don't get it. How exactly do you get green out of those four colors? I understand the concepts of placing one color next to another to change the viewer's perception of it, but.... I don't get it. ;(

Did Fred explain this in his post? Did I miss it?

[Edit: Oh yeah. Nice pic, too. ]

[This message has been edited by waylon (edited November 10, 2000).]

[Rinaldo]

Chapel-Next update maybe I'm still thinking about it. gold doesn't "have" to be that warm.

Waylon-
Yellow on the Black. I was a bit in the dark until I had a play around. Colour is some wierd shit.

[Chapel]

You are right it doesn't, but I think it would look better. (There is my color theory for ya)

[Rinaldo]

Hehe...Point taken
I'm going to sleep now, But next time I play with it I'll make it nice and warm.

[pierre]

Nice goblin Rinaldo!

You can get green out of those colors just as much as you can get a blue color out of blending black and white, there are two important variables that makes for that illusion, though it is merely not only just and illusion.

we work in a subtractive medium (that is if you not turn on the additive choice in your brushes) when painting digital and traditional, subtractive meaning we subtract light from our pigments whenever we blend them with eachother, hence we get black if blending IDEALISTIC "primary" colors with eachother, but our colors are not ideal, so we tend to get a brownish grey mud. To get black we have to tweak the choice of the blend and we will probaly even then not get the black we need.

Anyway, you blend blue and yellow, and you get green, right? If we look at the primary colors, which according to some color systems are three, others four, and yet to others six (NCS, Natural Color System has black and white in addition to red, blue, yellow and green), we see that each and one of them, in its most saturated form has different brightness, yellow for example is very bright if compared to blue, the colors has a brightness in and of themselves.

If we had a limited palette, say that was comprised out of golden ochre, kadmium red (warm red, i.e. you will get a brownish color out of it if you blend it with blue) black and white and were to blend so that you would have a blue color, which colors would you use? Of that palette, black is the most similar one to blue, but black is too dark in order to get the illusion of blue, so your next step would be to add some white to it out of that palette, right?

You get a greyish shade (in traditional medias, depending on what black color you choose, you will get a different grey, say warm grey, cold grey, etc.) Now this color may not be so blue, but if you take the golden ochre in your palette, which is the most yellowish color we have in our palette and put it next to that grey, you will have a "blue".


To get a green color, out of that palette, the most efficient way to get that, would have to primarily blend Black (which is neares to blue) and Golden ochre (which is nearest to yellow, in the colors in that palette).

Two variables: choose the best colors out of your limited palette as if you were to have a full palette, and the next step is to choose the colors and by illusion make them closer to what you wanted.

A question: Anyone wondered why we have RGB channels in the phosphors of our monitors? Any other combination could work, as long as it covers the spectrum the same way the cones in our retina does.

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[mOO]

i like this a lot but i think maybe it could use a little variation in color? it seems from light to shadow the hue remains almost exactly the same

[waylon]

Thanks for the explanation, Pierre! I imagine that's the kind of thing they teach you if you take more than just a few art classes?

[ShyGuy]

Tack Pierre
(Thanks Pierre
I really needed that info!

[Feklore]

Great work! I love the armor.

[Rinaldo]

pierre-Thanks a bunch, I was sort of starting to understand that stuff but you made it nice and clear.


mOO-yes I'm still working with pretty much B+W in a sense. I'm not that happy with the way this turned out either. I'll try to fix it.


Feklore-Thanks

[Chapel]

Yeah, throw in some browns or a dark orange.