[Nex]

ah, a landsman

you did not ask specifically for any feedback (except how to paint skies) so I hope you won't be po'ed if I give you some.

Your shapes in the picture are very blurry and undefined.
Maybe you want to try a different approach to start with:
1. sketch
2. draw your basic shapes (with 100% opacity and a hard brush) with medium brightness level
3. define shadows and lights by choosing a brighter/darker color and paint over the shapes
4. add detail etc.

and use as many layers as you want

good luck with that.

[Solitaire]

Ah �sis , Hi

...also haven't managed to paint hair in a realistic style - only manga techniques yet.

So I think theeese tips will help me a bit, thx

[[gsn]kore]

Nex: He did not ask to know how to paint skys... I dont know where you read that? He wanted some help on how to paint hair... I need to know how to becuase my hair looks worse than TheEyeless' hair.. I also think his shapes are fine if thats the way he wanted his shapes..as long as he knows what the shapes are going to turn out like when he is finished

TheEyless: I think that the hair looks really great in the upper left part of his ahir.. I think if you keep trying your hair will get better

[Nex]

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abd if u r bored and dont know what to do, you can explain me how you paint dark skies.

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and for the hair try this:



there are good hair tutorials around on this forum, just use "search"

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[Nex]

oops



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[pierre]

This is what I think.

Very often there are questions on "how" to paint hair, especially "how" in a realistic way. It is apparent that depicting hair, using a realistic approach, is difficult and often cause troubles for many artists. I have big problems with it the hair thing, and I try very hard to improve on that area.

I think that one of the difficulties that many artists have on that area have its origin that we know too much about hair. We know that it is comprised of these thousands of straws bunched up together, when it in fact most often should be seen as a whole object instead of thousand ones.

When realistic painting began seriously in Europe, it is obvious by looking at the many works that painting realistically meant meant to paint every singel object, the more details, the better (one of the artists that broke that habit and introduced another way of depicting reality in a realistic was Giotto, a true master of the Italian states, thought it would take some hundred years after his death before his master was aknowledged and "fully understood") I think that many people have seen the Flemish painter Jan van Eyck's painting "The Arnolfini Marriage" (painted 1434)see link
http://www.itctosi.va.it/speciali/MANCINI/ARNOLFIN.htm

Every detail was worked out in detail. Look carefully at the hairy dog. van Eyck's approach was to paint every singel straw of hair to make his dog hairy, but if you ask me, the dog does not seem hairy at all. In fact, the straws of hair more resembles straws of iron attached to the dog.

If we look at another painter, Diego Velasquez (17th century) and one of his most famous paintings, "Las Meninas" (see link below), which also have a dog in it, you will see that he attacked the problem in another way. His dog seems more hairy than van Eyck's, although Velasquez never painted any one singel straw of hair!
http://btr0xw.rz.uni-bayreuth.de/cjackson/velazque/p-velazq18.htm

I believe that Velasquez choose to see hair straws of the dog as one object, not multiple ones.

Now ofcourse, It is all dependant on how close we are to the object in and of itself. If velasquez moved much closer to the dog, I am sure that he would have to have a slightly different way of painting the hairy dog. Also one have to remember that the hairs, their structure, their way of bunching together creates a texture that behaves in a certain way when attacked by light. All these things applies to everything around us.

It is my opinion, that whether you have the object infront of you or mentally in your head, you will gain by taking advantage of the approach Velasquez had on making his dog hairy.

Again, it is my opionion, not saying that it is an objective truth, not stating that "you should do so instead of doing it like that". This is not a tutorial on how to paint hair, would be very sad if it corrupted any soul of a youth in here. I myself is a youth, would mean that I am corrupted as well. Have already been faced with those aqusations, which often does not even deserve a comment and is very disturbing.

I will refresh some things that Spooge said to you in a thread. If you find this information helpful for you in any way, use it to your advantage, listen to what's being said, and not so much on "who" said it. If you find it totally wrong and misleading, then simply don't use it.

Simply only my two cents.

Pierre

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[Jezebel]

I think this is a lovely way of doing hair...

http://www.jonathonart.com/casd.jpg



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[TheEyeless]

... this gonna be (hope so) a pic of a hunchback..

head detail

but i don't know how to make hair. (i tried to make strokes with a thin brush... but thats all what was comin out. and im not very happy with them)
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sull size (in progress)
this is the
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abd if u r bored and dont know what to do, you can explain me how you paint dark skies.

[TheEyeless]

argh...

tried to delete "sull size" and "this is the
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but it did'n work.

[Nex]

very cool links pierre, thx

[TheEyeless]

thx alot to all you.

nex: i don't like the 'basic shape' method. i donno why. but i like my 'technique' better(as everyone does`?!)

pierre: nice pics and thanks 4 your post.

[TheEyeless]

ok... after 40 min work (had no time...)

i tried to make the haits look a lil bit dirty and dready... (don't know if they are.)